Hello,
We are planning to have a bungalow built.
I would appreciate any feedback or suggestions for improvement.
We are planning to have a bungalow built.
I would appreciate any feedback or suggestions for improvement.
Sorry, I just had a computer crash...
You’re right again. Now everything is restarted, and I’ll think about it constructively once more. Maybe someone still has a good idea. Perhaps someone can suggest an alternative floor plan, but the 155 sqm (1670 sq ft) is the upper limit...
The requirements to be met are known by now...
You’re right again. Now everything is restarted, and I’ll think about it constructively once more. Maybe someone still has a good idea. Perhaps someone can suggest an alternative floor plan, but the 155 sqm (1670 sq ft) is the upper limit...
The requirements to be met are known by now...
W
Wanderdüne8 May 2014 12:16faja283 schrieb:
... (design)... completely unrealistic. Who expects that?
faja283 schrieb:
...that ordinary people are not millionaires, and that the budget still limits ideas and wishes.If you choose the most expensive type of house, you can't really be considered financially constrained...
faja283 schrieb:
The toilet is intended as a second bathroom for five people and as a guest toilet. I think it would be too much to equip a fancy bathroom for the children.It doesn’t have to be fancy; functional is enough. And with five people, having a second shower facility definitely makes sense.
faja283 schrieb:
(Zoning) ... would be a luxury...No, it just requires good planning skills.
faja283 schrieb:
The hallway is purely a passageway and not living space.Maybe with a new building there’s an ambition to improve things a bit?
faja283 schrieb:
...and only eat in the kitchen.Then you should plan accordingly from the start; I don’t see a dining area for five people there yet, that would probably be a luxury.
faja283 schrieb:
In my opinion, the pantry is most functional when located adjacent to the kitchen; where else would a pantry make sense?Basically, it should be where most of the stored items are brought in and used later, for example between the entrance and the kitchen. Cupboards accessible from both sides for loading and unloading are quite practical but require good planning.
faja283 schrieb:
Regarding the issue of the sleeper being disturbed, what are people supposed to do in a three-room apartment??? So again, a minor luxury problem, right???No, this is not about sugarcoating an unfortunate existing layout; why wouldn’t you improve the planning in a new build if it doesn’t cost extra?
faja283 schrieb:
The utility room is...a rather minor problem anyway, it will change with the rest of the design. Due to laundry needs, you will use this room much more often than any contractor.
faja283 schrieb:
Now about the living room...Trying to sugarcoat that really takes some skill.
faja283 schrieb:
...this is not a prefab house design, but a custom one... and the woman still works despite having three children, Eastern Germans are just that foolish...Setting aside your disgusting regression... It doesn’t matter who drew the floor plan, but you are clinging to it, and that’s not good. If you want confirmation, go to the nearest architecture office; they will praise you highly, complain about the terrible designs they usually get, and ask if you want to start planning yourself, etc. Easy money.
faja283 schrieb:
with requirements for space and generosity... managing a huge house...Unfortunately, you haven’t understood that improving your planning doesn’t mean you need more square meters or more money. Quite the opposite.
WD
Personally, I would miss having a dedicated dining area. The kitchen doesn’t fit 5 people. Do you eat together in the morning and evening? If so, the routes to the dining room are way too long (from the refrigerator to the dining table and back).
In the bedroom, you are planning a double bed in 17 sqm (183 sq ft). For that, there’s a cramped walk-in closet. My suggestion: remove the wall between the closet and the bedroom. Place a large wardrobe (in a U-shape) along the west wall and move the bed to the east wall. This way, the wardrobes will have natural light in front of them.
Is the living room facing northeast? And the terrace facing southeast? Or where is north and south on the plan?
In the bedroom, you are planning a double bed in 17 sqm (183 sq ft). For that, there’s a cramped walk-in closet. My suggestion: remove the wall between the closet and the bedroom. Place a large wardrobe (in a U-shape) along the west wall and move the bed to the east wall. This way, the wardrobes will have natural light in front of them.
Is the living room facing northeast? And the terrace facing southeast? Or where is north and south on the plan?
Nothing at all – hats off!
I really don’t like such generalizations—especially when the two responses have nothing to do with the attitude you described.
You received constructive criticism. Unfortunately, it doesn’t suit you... It would have been helpful if you had first explained the family’s specific needs, as one does with an architect.
Personally, I could have saved myself a lot of effort, but instead I get a kind of reprimand from you.
On top of that, you defend the design errors.
After all, the floor plan looks very similar to a Heinz von Heiden house, just slightly altered—and with these negative peculiarities in the floor plan that I would not want to live with and would not “wish” even on my enemies, it clearly resembles a prefabricated floor plan from construction companies that approach modifications carelessly. Well, it’s a homemade plan, probably derived from many house examples—regardless, it’s not good.
But at least a satisfactory version should be achieved, not just one that is adequate.
You have already received constructive critiques, but you need to understand and accept them. Try playing it through!
No one here has time to provide you with multiple examples for every flaw, but the approach for reconsideration is here 🙂
Unfortunately, the building envelope is still unknown, so it’s not worth us users shifting exterior walls.
Basically, I would spontaneously mirror the house. As it is now, the children’s rooms won’t get any sun from autumn onward.
I would plan the kitchen facing east.
Alternatively, swap kitchen and parents’ bedroom, which would also allow the bathroom and guest toilet to be located differently (possibly better).
It’s not about giving the children something better than the parents, but the main bathroom should be located where it’s most useful. It always makes sense for 5 people to share two bathrooms, even if one is the guest toilet.
Otherwise, 5 people will be fighting for the shower every morning. Children tend to bathe more than adults... this has really nothing to do with a sense of values if the parents have a shower in addition to the family bathroom.
Somehow contradictory?!
Even without use as a practice, I find this solution well chosen.
For my taste, 13 sqm (140 sq ft) is 7 sqm (75 sq ft) too much—you already have a vestibule. It’s a corridor that has no other use, such as built-in closets or storage. Those ~6 sqm (65 sq ft) could be better utilized.
Regarding storage, which you lack: there isn’t even room in the vestibule for a closet. Are you aware of that???
My general opinion: if space is limited, something should be opened up, traffic areas kept minimal, and these spaces used multifunctionally.
Regarding light: glass inserts in children’s rooms and bathrooms should be avoided because they compromise privacy. That leaves only the kitchen door.
That’s fine if that’s your preference: however, the dining area in the kitchen doesn’t seem well thought out, while the living room as a “good” living space for guests is quite large. This can be planned better.
Well, the dining table doesn’t necessarily need to be right next to the preserved goods 😉
A pantry is usually every homeowner’s wish—I think a storage room for whatever makes sense, but not in prime southwest orientation.
Hiding something behind doors? Somehow your arguments are overlooked here. To use your words:
Where in a 3-room apartment is there a separate space for a wardrobe in the bedroom???
I go in there several times every day, so does my husband... tradespeople come maybe once a year. Meanwhile, your hallway still lacks a coat area, which also won’t fit in the utility room. Strike utility room—call it technical room!
Based on your description, the living room is quite luxurious... maybe consider a large eat-in kitchen for multifunctional use (dining and playing) and a smaller living room?
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I hope my suggestions were polite enough. Still, I must say there’s no good floor plan here, and you don’t seem willing to seriously consider the constructive criticism.
Also, the generalized rebuke still bothers me somewhat!
Questions should always go through the thread; otherwise, you end up with the same questions in your inbox, and you’ve already understood why there is a house-building forum.
Otherwise, I would recommend consulting an architect with your needs.
There are also functional floor plans online—which, although perhaps somewhat luxurious in their construction, can be built affordably with a simpler roof.
This has become a bit longer than planned... and naturally some parallels to Wanderdüne 🙂
faja283 schrieb:
@all: Everyone, come on...
You can’t...
... moreover, don’t forget...
I really don’t like such generalizations—especially when the two responses have nothing to do with the attitude you described.
You received constructive criticism. Unfortunately, it doesn’t suit you... It would have been helpful if you had first explained the family’s specific needs, as one does with an architect.
Personally, I could have saved myself a lot of effort, but instead I get a kind of reprimand from you.
On top of that, you defend the design errors.
After all, the floor plan looks very similar to a Heinz von Heiden house, just slightly altered—and with these negative peculiarities in the floor plan that I would not want to live with and would not “wish” even on my enemies, it clearly resembles a prefabricated floor plan from construction companies that approach modifications carelessly. Well, it’s a homemade plan, probably derived from many house examples—regardless, it’s not good.
But at least a satisfactory version should be achieved, not just one that is adequate.
You have already received constructive critiques, but you need to understand and accept them. Try playing it through!
No one here has time to provide you with multiple examples for every flaw, but the approach for reconsideration is here 🙂
faja283 schrieb:
Now to the questions: The house is oriented southwest with the terrace, and the plot is about 1200 sqm (approximately 0.3 acres) and is located in the second row in a rural area.
Unfortunately, the building envelope is still unknown, so it’s not worth us users shifting exterior walls.
Basically, I would spontaneously mirror the house. As it is now, the children’s rooms won’t get any sun from autumn onward.
I would plan the kitchen facing east.
Alternatively, swap kitchen and parents’ bedroom, which would also allow the bathroom and guest toilet to be located differently (possibly better).
faja283 schrieb:
The toilet is intended as a second bathroom for 5 people and as a guest toilet. I think it would be excessive to provide a fancy bathroom for the children. That’s neither functional nor conducive to fostering a corresponding sense of values in the offspring.
It’s not about giving the children something better than the parents, but the main bathroom should be located where it’s most useful. It always makes sense for 5 people to share two bathrooms, even if one is the guest toilet.
Otherwise, 5 people will be fighting for the shower every morning. Children tend to bathe more than adults... this has really nothing to do with a sense of values if the parents have a shower in addition to the family bathroom.
faja283 schrieb:
As a family, we do not find it desirable to separate public and private zones because everything that belongs to the family should be used by the family. Private zones are in each person’s own room; anything else would be a luxury...
Somehow contradictory?!
faja283 schrieb:
At a later stage, when the children no longer live at home, the children’s rooms and guest toilet might be separated from the rest of the house and possibly used as a practice, which is why the children’s zone is completely on one side.
Even without use as a practice, I find this solution well chosen.
faja283 schrieb:
The hallway was intentionally designed this way because it matches our current apartment, and we find it sufficient. Additional daylight can be provided with glass inserts in the doors. The hallway is purely a passage and not living space.
For my taste, 13 sqm (140 sq ft) is 7 sqm (75 sq ft) too much—you already have a vestibule. It’s a corridor that has no other use, such as built-in closets or storage. Those ~6 sqm (65 sq ft) could be better utilized.
Regarding storage, which you lack: there isn’t even room in the vestibule for a closet. Are you aware of that???
My general opinion: if space is limited, something should be opened up, traffic areas kept minimal, and these spaces used multifunctionally.
Regarding light: glass inserts in children’s rooms and bathrooms should be avoided because they compromise privacy. That leaves only the kitchen door.
faja283 schrieb:
Regarding the kitchen, we deliberately chose an enclosed room because we cook, bake, and craft a lot and only eat in the kitchen. The dining area in the living room is only for eating when guests are present and will mainly serve as our play table, so there are no long distances to dining...
That’s fine if that’s your preference: however, the dining area in the kitchen doesn’t seem well thought out, while the living room as a “good” living space for guests is quite large. This can be planned better.
faja283 schrieb:
In my opinion, the pantry is most functionally placed near the kitchen; otherwise, where else would a pantry make sense??? It will only store food like potatoes, onions, apples, and canned goods. We don’t want to cure sausage or store bread… Storing such items in kitchen cabinets always costs me a lot of space and is impractical, but 2.22 sqm (24 sq ft) can accommodate this nicely, and the cabinets remain clean and available as storage space, and the dining table is in close proximity.
Well, the dining table doesn’t necessarily need to be right next to the preserved goods 😉
A pantry is usually every homeowner’s wish—I think a storage room for whatever makes sense, but not in prime southwest orientation.
faja283 schrieb:
The dressing room is not intended as a “dressing room” but to hide the wardrobe. In the future, I only want the bed in the bedroom and no additional closets. Regarding the issue of disturbing the sleeper, I wonder, what are people supposed to do in a 3-room apartment??? So again, a minor luxury problem, right???
Hiding something behind doors? Somehow your arguments are overlooked here. To use your words:
Where in a 3-room apartment is there a separate space for a wardrobe in the bedroom???
faja283 schrieb:
The utility room is also deliberately placed near the entrance area so that tradespeople don’t have to be let into the house. A door to the outside would spoil the exterior appearance, so this is a conscious decision.
I go in there several times every day, so does my husband... tradespeople come maybe once a year. Meanwhile, your hallway still lacks a coat area, which also won’t fit in the utility room. Strike utility room—call it technical room!
faja283 schrieb:
Now to the living room: 35 sqm (375 sq ft) is definitely sufficient for a living room; opposite claims seem to be a luxury problem again... The three windows provide enough daylight, and only space for two sideboards is needed; we are not fans of cabinets.
Based on your description, the living room is quite luxurious... maybe consider a large eat-in kitchen for multifunctional use (dining and playing) and a smaller living room?
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faja283 schrieb:
If anyone can still offer constructive contributions, I would be grateful. For the future of this forum, I would like to see more politeness and realism. Questions should be addressed directly to the poster. For five people, the space might not be very generous, but each child has their own room, there is a garden and space, time, and money for joint activities. It would not be this way if you overstretched your space and generosity wishes and then couldn’t pay the installments. Then comes the time when the kids leave the nest, and you have a huge house to maintain—who wants that??? Sorry, but that needed to be said....
I hope my suggestions were polite enough. Still, I must say there’s no good floor plan here, and you don’t seem willing to seriously consider the constructive criticism.
Also, the generalized rebuke still bothers me somewhat!
Questions should always go through the thread; otherwise, you end up with the same questions in your inbox, and you’ve already understood why there is a house-building forum.
Otherwise, I would recommend consulting an architect with your needs.
There are also functional floor plans online—which, although perhaps somewhat luxurious in their construction, can be built affordably with a simpler roof.
This has become a bit longer than planned... and naturally some parallels to Wanderdüne 🙂
ypg schrieb:
You have received constructive criticism. Unfortunately, it doesn’t suit you…The only constructive criticism so far was the post by Wastl, not some off-topic rambling.
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