Hello everyone,
my husband and I (soon with 3 children) want to apply for a plot of land in a new residential area in the center of SH. Out of 40 plots, 30 will be allocated based on a points system, so with 3 children, we think our chances are relatively good.
Some information about the development: The area is divided by several hedgerows, which partly belong entirely to the plots and generally may not be used, additionally with a 3m (10 feet) wide hedge protection strip. This means many plots have a significantly smaller net area than indicated. On the western edge, there is only a 3m (10 feet) wide embankment without an additional protection strip.
Furthermore, the area is divided into single-story building zones (blue) and two-story building zones (purple). These plots also differ in purchase price: 150€/m2 (150€/m2) for blue, 170€/m2 (170€/m2) for purple. There are also a few plots designed as flagpole-shaped lots. Here, the flagpole part must be purchased at the regular plot price, while other plots share a rear access driveway that is sold to neighboring residents at a very low price (25€/m2 (25€/m2), proportionally).
Our criteria for a plot are as follows:
- Preferably large, ideally over 700m2 (7500 square feet) net area, but there are only a few plots with that net size
- Not directly bordering the street (though it is a low-traffic residential street, we would prefer it quieter, especially as we have a dog and our current garden faces the street, which we want to avoid with the new house)
Additional info on the plots: Single-story homes generally allow a wall height of 4m (13 feet) and a ridge height of 8m (26 feet). So only relatively normal single-family houses with a small knee wall can be built here.
The 10 plots marked with an L will be allocated by lottery.
We are allowed to apply for 3 plots through the points-based system and for 3 plots through the lottery.
Currently, our favorites are:
- 18 (clear first choice, comparatively large, existing hedge without protection strip, meadow behind that likely won’t be built on for the next few years. Open and quiet)
- 17, 9 (unfortunately out, as acquaintances we met on site are also applying for these and have higher points)
- 26 (very large, but from the 919m2 (9900 sq ft) only about 730m2 (7850 sq ft) net remain; downside: flagpole, resulting in significantly higher costs for the plot)
- 19 (one of the larger ones, somewhat unusual shape, the house can be oriented parallel to the street with a private, secluded garden behind)
For the lottery, we chose plots 12, 13, and 25 (but we don’t expect much chance there).
Right now, we find it difficult to decide between 19 and 26. The difference in total costs including property transfer tax, development fees, etc., is around €70,000 (about $75,000). Is plot 26 worth the extra cost? It has about 100m2 (1075 sq ft) more net area and allows freer building because 2 full stories are permitted.
Which ones would be your favorites? Are we overlooking anything? Could one choice improve our chances?
Oh, and for orientation: to the south, there is a somewhat busier main road; to the north and east, quiet residential areas; to the west, meadowland.
Best regards,
EinHausfür5
my husband and I (soon with 3 children) want to apply for a plot of land in a new residential area in the center of SH. Out of 40 plots, 30 will be allocated based on a points system, so with 3 children, we think our chances are relatively good.
Some information about the development: The area is divided by several hedgerows, which partly belong entirely to the plots and generally may not be used, additionally with a 3m (10 feet) wide hedge protection strip. This means many plots have a significantly smaller net area than indicated. On the western edge, there is only a 3m (10 feet) wide embankment without an additional protection strip.
Furthermore, the area is divided into single-story building zones (blue) and two-story building zones (purple). These plots also differ in purchase price: 150€/m2 (150€/m2) for blue, 170€/m2 (170€/m2) for purple. There are also a few plots designed as flagpole-shaped lots. Here, the flagpole part must be purchased at the regular plot price, while other plots share a rear access driveway that is sold to neighboring residents at a very low price (25€/m2 (25€/m2), proportionally).
Our criteria for a plot are as follows:
- Preferably large, ideally over 700m2 (7500 square feet) net area, but there are only a few plots with that net size
- Not directly bordering the street (though it is a low-traffic residential street, we would prefer it quieter, especially as we have a dog and our current garden faces the street, which we want to avoid with the new house)
Additional info on the plots: Single-story homes generally allow a wall height of 4m (13 feet) and a ridge height of 8m (26 feet). So only relatively normal single-family houses with a small knee wall can be built here.
The 10 plots marked with an L will be allocated by lottery.
We are allowed to apply for 3 plots through the points-based system and for 3 plots through the lottery.
Currently, our favorites are:
- 18 (clear first choice, comparatively large, existing hedge without protection strip, meadow behind that likely won’t be built on for the next few years. Open and quiet)
- 17, 9 (unfortunately out, as acquaintances we met on site are also applying for these and have higher points)
- 26 (very large, but from the 919m2 (9900 sq ft) only about 730m2 (7850 sq ft) net remain; downside: flagpole, resulting in significantly higher costs for the plot)
- 19 (one of the larger ones, somewhat unusual shape, the house can be oriented parallel to the street with a private, secluded garden behind)
For the lottery, we chose plots 12, 13, and 25 (but we don’t expect much chance there).
Right now, we find it difficult to decide between 19 and 26. The difference in total costs including property transfer tax, development fees, etc., is around €70,000 (about $75,000). Is plot 26 worth the extra cost? It has about 100m2 (1075 sq ft) more net area and allows freer building because 2 full stories are permitted.
Which ones would be your favorites? Are we overlooking anything? Could one choice improve our chances?
Oh, and for orientation: to the south, there is a somewhat busier main road; to the north and east, quiet residential areas; to the west, meadowland.
Best regards,
EinHausfür5
EinHausfür5 schrieb:
26 (very large, but of the 919m² (9900 sq ft) only around 730m² (7850 sq ft) net usable area remains, disadvantage: pipe, resulting in significantly higher land costs)So would 32 be a cost-optimized compromise? EinHausfür5 schrieb:
We also considered 28, 34 is out of the question because there is a stormwater retention basin underneath and right next to it is the noisy main road....Is a stormwater retention basin a big problem??? And check if the road is really that noisy… it seems to be a local street with a 50 km/h (30 mph) speed limit.
Click through the exterior dimensions of the Viebrockhaus houses... they often have knee walls of about 1 meter (3 feet). There you can clearly see the room layouts.
What is especially noticeable with single-story homes and basements is the overall house design: less living space upstairs but many utility rooms in the basement.
What is especially noticeable with single-story homes and basements is the overall house design: less living space upstairs but many utility rooms in the basement.
vonBYnachSH4 Nov 2021 15:59If for you 18 clearly corresponds to 1, then maybe 5 does too? At least with that you already know what existing buildings surround the site, and nothing more can be built there even in a few years. Unfortunately, that might still be possible with the field behind 18.
I wouldn’t choose 19, didn’t you want more peace and quiet because of the dog? People tend to walk by there quite often.
I think 22 is quite good, as there are lower houses on three sides compared to yours. By the way, why does the plot need to be as large as possible? Do you have any special plans?
I wouldn’t choose 19, didn’t you want more peace and quiet because of the dog? People tend to walk by there quite often.
I think 22 is quite good, as there are lower houses on three sides compared to yours. By the way, why does the plot need to be as large as possible? Do you have any special plans?
EinHausfür5 schrieb:
additionally cannot be used due to a 3m (10 feet) wide bending protection strip. For this reason, many plots have a significantly smaller effective net area than stated.The dog still has space to run there, and as long as the area counts towards the floor area ratio, it’s not entirely wasted.EinHausfür5 schrieb:
I had naively thought that approximately 9x12 would be enough.That would be 108 sqm (1162 sq ft) of built-up area, which roughly corresponds to about 130 or 170 sqm (1400 or 1830 sq ft) of living space (one-and-a-half to two-story houses). A 4:3 ratio works well, 5:4 is still acceptable; with a square floor plan, you would need to add a margin for the areas that inevitably remain as leftover or wasted space.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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EinHausfür54 Nov 2021 20:19LordNibbler schrieb:
Personally, I wouldn’t be interested in plots that include a private road as access. In this development, there are 1 to 5 co-owners who always have to agree on maintenance efforts and repair costs. Actually, except for the second block at the front, it’s usually just one other owner. Hopefully, that will work out fine. I’m simply assuming good neighbors.
It’s complicated. Plot 32 borders directly on a large apartment building. At that stretch, the speed limit is still 70 km/h (about 45 mph) because it’s outside the town. The town itself only begins around the first bend to the east.
Regarding the hedgerows, they are protected in Schleswig-Holstein under nature conservation laws, along with the protective buffer zone. We probably wouldn’t be allowed to fence them, so unfortunately, there wouldn’t be any additional outdoor space for a dog. On the other hand, that means a somewhat more extensive enclosure elsewhere and no need to plant hedges or similar anymore.
Plot 5 ranks second for our acquaintances, so we would have ruled it out as well. There, you also lose nearly 300 m² (about 3,230 ft²) to the hedgerow.
vonBYnachSH schrieb:
Why does the plot need to be as large as possible? Do you have specific plans? In the past, people dreamed of large plots with plenty of space. Today, it’s more a mix of dream and reality, and an attempt to maximize what’s possible. We want to establish a kitchen garden and generally increase our space (currently 240 m² (about 2,583 ft²) in the suburban area around Hamburg).
Am I correct in assuming that with a wall height of 4 m (about 13 ft), an eaves wall height (knee wall) of approximately 1 m (about 3 ft) should generally be possible?
EinHausfür5 schrieb:
Am I correct in assuming that with a wall height of 4 m (13 ft), a knee wall of about 1 m (3 ft) should generally be possible? If, in addition to the valid assumption of about three meters (10 ft) floor-to-ceiling height, you can also assume that the ground floor level is the same as the reference height or can be used as such, then yes. I have not checked your specific zoning plan. Unfortunately, every zoning or building permit plan regulates this a bit differently, and some are written with a "clarity" suitable only for readers who have no patience at all.
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