Hello,
we are still in a very early stage of our building project.
-> Idea collection; about 2–3 years before construction starts
That’s why I have already been actively reading in this forum.
Now about us...
As I sketch my wife’s special requests on paper, I realize more and more that the living space planned so far will not be enough. My wife wants the following rooms on the upper floor:
- 2 children’s bedrooms (about 14.5 m² (156 sq ft))
- 1 bathroom for the children (about 6 m² (65 sq ft))
- 1 master bedroom (about 14 m² (151 sq ft))
- 1 walk-in closet (about 7 m² (75 sq ft); adjacent to the master bedroom)
- 1 bathroom (about 11 m² (118 sq ft); adjacent to the master bedroom)
- Hallway (about 6 m² (65 sq ft))
- Staircase (about 2 m² (22 sq ft))
Last week we visited a prefabricated house center and looked at similar floor plans (the size of the rooms). It became increasingly clear to me that 150–160 m² (1,615–1,722 sq ft) would be very tight because the rooms tend to be rather small. Also, because of the large upper floor plus the planned basement, we have quite a lot of space that can be freely distributed.
My idea is therefore to skip the basement and increase the living area to about 180 m² (1,938 sq ft). We could definitely use the extra 10 m² (108 sq ft) on the upper floor, and it would also be necessary downstairs for the technical rooms.
My question now is how this would affect the cost of our building project?
Previous plan: 160 m² (1,722 sq ft) + 70 m² (753 sq ft) basement
New plan: 180 m² (1,938 sq ft) without basement
Is it possible to estimate this roughly?
Thank you very much for your help!
we are still in a very early stage of our building project.
-> Idea collection; about 2–3 years before construction starts
That’s why I have already been actively reading in this forum.
Now about us...
As I sketch my wife’s special requests on paper, I realize more and more that the living space planned so far will not be enough. My wife wants the following rooms on the upper floor:
- 2 children’s bedrooms (about 14.5 m² (156 sq ft))
- 1 bathroom for the children (about 6 m² (65 sq ft))
- 1 master bedroom (about 14 m² (151 sq ft))
- 1 walk-in closet (about 7 m² (75 sq ft); adjacent to the master bedroom)
- 1 bathroom (about 11 m² (118 sq ft); adjacent to the master bedroom)
- Hallway (about 6 m² (65 sq ft))
- Staircase (about 2 m² (22 sq ft))
Last week we visited a prefabricated house center and looked at similar floor plans (the size of the rooms). It became increasingly clear to me that 150–160 m² (1,615–1,722 sq ft) would be very tight because the rooms tend to be rather small. Also, because of the large upper floor plus the planned basement, we have quite a lot of space that can be freely distributed.
My idea is therefore to skip the basement and increase the living area to about 180 m² (1,938 sq ft). We could definitely use the extra 10 m² (108 sq ft) on the upper floor, and it would also be necessary downstairs for the technical rooms.
My question now is how this would affect the cost of our building project?
Previous plan: 160 m² (1,722 sq ft) + 70 m² (753 sq ft) basement
New plan: 180 m² (1,938 sq ft) without basement
Is it possible to estimate this roughly?
Thank you very much for your help!
Thank you very much for the responses.
In this area, two-story construction is common. Honestly, so far I haven’t seen anything else with the plots available for purchase.
The plan was to create my private space in the basement (hookah room + retreat). I prefer not to smoke inside the house itself (ground floor + upper floor).
We haven’t looked into this in detail yet, but I would say that (assuming about 70 sqm (750 sq ft)) the layout would have been roughly planned as follows:
Retreat room 20 sqm (215 sq ft)
Storage room 15 sqm (160 sq ft)
Laundry 10 sqm (110 sq ft)
Heating 10 sqm (110 sq ft)
Possibly pellet storage 5 sqm (55 sq ft)
Hallway / stairs 10 sqm (110 sq ft)
@Bauexperte Thanks first of all for the approximate cost breakdown. The benchmark prices you mentioned are probably only rough estimates. For me, it was more about:
“If you have 20 sqm (215 sq ft) more living space and no basement, you can probably save about xy €.”
With an extra 20 (maybe even just 10) sqm (215/110 sq ft) of living space, we should be fine. What will hurt more is losing the retreat room, which is harder to compensate for with money. I would then move the storage room into the garage. I have seen that with prefabricated garages you can get an extension quite cheaply.
In this area, two-story construction is common. Honestly, so far I haven’t seen anything else with the plots available for purchase.
The plan was to create my private space in the basement (hookah room + retreat). I prefer not to smoke inside the house itself (ground floor + upper floor).
We haven’t looked into this in detail yet, but I would say that (assuming about 70 sqm (750 sq ft)) the layout would have been roughly planned as follows:
Retreat room 20 sqm (215 sq ft)
Storage room 15 sqm (160 sq ft)
Laundry 10 sqm (110 sq ft)
Heating 10 sqm (110 sq ft)
Possibly pellet storage 5 sqm (55 sq ft)
Hallway / stairs 10 sqm (110 sq ft)
@Bauexperte Thanks first of all for the approximate cost breakdown. The benchmark prices you mentioned are probably only rough estimates. For me, it was more about:
“If you have 20 sqm (215 sq ft) more living space and no basement, you can probably save about xy €.”
With an extra 20 (maybe even just 10) sqm (215/110 sq ft) of living space, we should be fine. What will hurt more is losing the retreat room, which is harder to compensate for with money. I would then move the storage room into the garage. I have seen that with prefabricated garages you can get an extension quite cheaply.
Ranii schrieb:
In this area, two-story construction is common. To be honest, I haven’t seen anything else so far on the available plots. Since you’re still at the beginning of your planning: two-story buildings are so-called town villas, but not the typical single-family house with a sloped roof on top. True two-story design (no sloped ceilings on the upper floor) is actually only rarely permitted.
I just took a look at a local development plan (and uploaded it).
The floor area ratio is listed as 2, so I assume that means two full stories are allowed?
The other development plans around here are very similar.
I don’t want to get stuck on that point, though. Whether it’s one full story plus a sloped roof or two full stories isn’t really the main focus of my post.
I’d be happy if someone else would share their thoughts on this topic.
The floor area ratio is listed as 2, so I assume that means two full stories are allowed?
The other development plans around here are very similar.
I don’t want to get stuck on that point, though. Whether it’s one full story plus a sloped roof or two full stories isn’t really the main focus of my post.
I’d be happy if someone else would share their thoughts on this topic.
Ranii schrieb:
The plan was to create my private space in the basement (hookah room + retreat area)Yeah, cool... a gentlemen’s lounge
That’s what our office is for – I often call it a gentlemen’s lounge because of the color scheme (dark wood and jade-colored walls).
But hookah is just... I don’t know... it would be great if you could explain that to us. It’s not like smoking cigarettes, so couldn’t hookah smoking be integrated into the ground floor (guest room or something), if you decide against having a basement?
Ranii schrieb:
Retreat room 20 sqmMore spacious than the children’s bedrooms... the other rooms are also very generous in size.
However, if you want a pellet heating system, a basement might be advantageous again...
Ranii schrieb:
I don’t really want to fixate on that. Whether it’s 1 full storey + roof slope or 2 full storeys is not really the point of my post. ...but it does relate somewhat: if you need about 80 sqm on the upper floor but are only allowed to build one storey, you’d have to build around 120 sqm on the ground floor, because only two thirds of the lower floor area can have a ceiling height over 2 meters (6.6 feet). That would leave roughly 40-50 sqm extra on the ground floor, which could be used for a generous utility room and retreat space.
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Bauexperte9 Apr 2015 12:36Hello,
As it appears, according to this development plan, you could build either a one- or two-story building.
Regards, Bauexperte
Ranii schrieb:In the uploaded development plan, the floor area ratio is 0.3 and the site coverage ratio is 0.6; these values are not related to the permitted number of stories. The allowable number of stories is determined by the maximum ridge height and eave height, which are also specified in the textual regulations.
The floor area ratio is 2 -> so I assume that 2 full stories are allowed?
As it appears, according to this development plan, you could build either a one- or two-story building.
Regards, Bauexperte
Ok, then I definitely need a plot of land that allows for two-story construction. 200 sqm (2,150 sq ft) is just too much... The bottleneck is unfortunately the upper floor because we need so many rooms (or rather, my wife imagines so). The basement area was more planned as "now that it’s there, we should make use of it."
Personally, I’m not a fan of smoking inside the living areas because the smell spreads quickly throughout the whole apartment. However, it’s not important enough for me to base the entire house planning on it. I think there should be solutions to isolate the shisha / gentleman’s room (which is really only needed in winter) from the living space.
ypg schrieb:By the way, it’s also bigger than our bedroom, but there’s plenty of space in the basement anyway.
More spacious than the kids’ rooms
ypg schrieb:If you don’t want gas or oil because of the dependence on oligarchs, then really the only options left are pellets or a heat pump. Without a basement, it’s basically only a heat pump. It’s not yet decided that it has to be a pellet heating system, but that’s been my preferred option so far. Still quite flexible on that.
However, if you want a pellet heating system, then a basement is a good option...
Personally, I’m not a fan of smoking inside the living areas because the smell spreads quickly throughout the whole apartment. However, it’s not important enough for me to base the entire house planning on it. I think there should be solutions to isolate the shisha / gentleman’s room (which is really only needed in winter) from the living space.
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