ᐅ Urban villa single-family house floor plan after 6 months of the planning phase...
Created on: 11 Jul 2020 22:20
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Lemmy89
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 555 sqm (5972 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.4
Floor space index: 2 full floors
Building window, building line and boundary: Distance from street(s) 4 m (13 ft) / neighbor 3 m (10 ft)
Edge development: yes, garage
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of stories: 2
Roof type: no restriction
Architectural style: urban villa
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: urban villa
Basement, number of floors: no basement, 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults, 2 children (2 & 4 years)
Office: family use or home office? no office
Overnight guests per year: 2
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open, no island but U-shaped
Number of dining seats: 6 to 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: yes
Garage, carport: garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: play and chill garden
House Design
Planning by: ourselves with additions from the general contractor/seller
What do you especially like? Why? open ground floor because we spend a lot of time there and in the garden
What do you dislike? Why? guest WC may be too small and bathroom on the upper floor is difficult to fit everything in
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 280,000
Personal price limit for the house including equipment:
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump with residential ventilation
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: difficult, maybe the balcony
-can’t you do without: open layout
Why is the design like it is now? For example,
Standard design from the planner?
mostly designed by us
Hello everyone,
We have been planning our house for some time now and I urgently need honest, constructive opinions since all my close contacts tend to hold back criticism, which I find very unfortunate...
Please just share what you think, I look forward to your feedback very much.
Attached is our plan; however, we are still considering extending the rear of our house by 1 m (3 ft 3 in) toward the terrace. This would allow us to add 0.5 m (20 in) to our living/dining area and shift the remaining 0.5 m (20 in) to move the staircase 0.5 m (20 in) toward the terrace as well, thus giving the upper floor bathroom and master bedroom an extra 0.5 m (20 in) of space across the entire width...
Many, many thanks in advance...
What would you change, why and how?
Does our planned living concept work as it appears on the plan for someone with more expertise?
Plot size: 555 sqm (5972 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.4
Floor space index: 2 full floors
Building window, building line and boundary: Distance from street(s) 4 m (13 ft) / neighbor 3 m (10 ft)
Edge development: yes, garage
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of stories: 2
Roof type: no restriction
Architectural style: urban villa
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: urban villa
Basement, number of floors: no basement, 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults, 2 children (2 & 4 years)
Office: family use or home office? no office
Overnight guests per year: 2
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open, no island but U-shaped
Number of dining seats: 6 to 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: yes
Garage, carport: garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: play and chill garden
House Design
Planning by: ourselves with additions from the general contractor/seller
What do you especially like? Why? open ground floor because we spend a lot of time there and in the garden
What do you dislike? Why? guest WC may be too small and bathroom on the upper floor is difficult to fit everything in
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 280,000
Personal price limit for the house including equipment:
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump with residential ventilation
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
-can you do without: difficult, maybe the balcony
-can’t you do without: open layout
Why is the design like it is now? For example,
Standard design from the planner?
mostly designed by us
Hello everyone,
We have been planning our house for some time now and I urgently need honest, constructive opinions since all my close contacts tend to hold back criticism, which I find very unfortunate...
Please just share what you think, I look forward to your feedback very much.
Attached is our plan; however, we are still considering extending the rear of our house by 1 m (3 ft 3 in) toward the terrace. This would allow us to add 0.5 m (20 in) to our living/dining area and shift the remaining 0.5 m (20 in) to move the staircase 0.5 m (20 in) toward the terrace as well, thus giving the upper floor bathroom and master bedroom an extra 0.5 m (20 in) of space across the entire width...
Many, many thanks in advance...
What would you change, why and how?
Does our planned living concept work as it appears on the plan for someone with more expertise?
Lemmy89 schrieb:
Regarding the budget, this was strictly for the house itself, excluding connection fees, earthworks, and other additional costs. This is the turnkey price provided by two companies, almost identical, based on KFW 55 standard with sand-lime brick panel elements. Before you continue planning: a turnkey price refers to a house WITHOUT additional construction costs and WITHOUT anything else, as well as WITHOUT upgrades.
By the way, the term turnkey doesn’t actually mean much.
It remains the same (exceptions can certainly be discussed):
As of 2019:
Single-family home with solid construction, 2000/sqm (186/sqft) living area, meeting the Energy Saving Ordinance 70 standard.
Excluding garden landscaping, garage, and paving.
Additional construction costs of 30,000-50,000 (thousand) on top.
Upgrades on top.
Painting and flooring work done by the owner as DIY, materials costing around 10,000.
If you budget 280,000 for the house alone, you will end up around 350,000 for a 140 sqm (1,507 sqft) house, plus exterior landscaping.
If you do some work yourself, have contacts, or get lucky with some things, then it could be less.
Therefore, if I were you, I would quickly delete the colorful pictures and stay realistic by replanning — without a fireplace, balcony, and so on.
Hmm, your kitchen photo doesn't convince me because it clearly shows that there is too much space in the middle. I also wouldn’t have placed the toilet in the center, especially without a window.
I’m surprised that you don’t see potential for an additional room upstairs or downstairs. The children's rooms could be made smaller, as could the kitchen. I also think that downsizing overall might be necessary since the 280,000 looks very ambitious to me. Unless your budget is significantly higher?
I’m surprised that you don’t see potential for an additional room upstairs or downstairs. The children's rooms could be made smaller, as could the kitchen. I also think that downsizing overall might be necessary since the 280,000 looks very ambitious to me. Unless your budget is significantly higher?
ypg schrieb:
Before you continue planning: a turnkey price refers to a house WITHOUT additional construction costs and WITHOUT anything else, as well as WITHOUT upgrades.
By the way, the term turnkey doesn’t actually mean anything.
It remains as it is (exceptions can be discussed):
Status 2019:
Single-family house, solid construction, 2000/sqm (186/sq ft) living space, built to Energy Saving Ordinance (EnEV) 70 standard.
Without garden landscaping, without garage, without paving.
Additional construction costs of 30,000–50,000 (30k–50k) on top.
Upgrades on top.
Painting and flooring as own work on site, materials about 10,000 (10k).
If you plan about 280,000 for the house alone, you end up with roughly 350,000 for a 140 sqm (1,507 sq ft) house, plus the outdoor area.
If you do work yourself, have contacts, or get lucky on some items, then less.
Therefore, if I were you, I would quickly delete the colorful pictures and stay realistic and replan – without a fireplace, balcony, and so on. Ysop*** schrieb:
Hmm, your kitchen picture doesn’t convince me, as it actually shows that there is too much space in the middle. I also wouldn’t have placed the toilet in the middle, especially without a window.
I’m surprised that you don’t see potential for an additional room upstairs or downstairs. The children’s rooms offer options for downsizing, as does the kitchen. I also think overall downsizing might be necessary, since 280k seems very ambitious to me. Unless your budget is significantly higher? Well, I think I might have already written this somewhere in another post, but anyway, let’s put costs aside. Our budget is significantly higher, and we have similar additional costs as described above included... but maybe I expressed myself incorrectly or recorded it wrong. The house price for me is without outdoor landscaping, without connection costs, without construction electricity/water, crane position, etc. And yes, we also have a budget for upgrades included. We will supply and have our bathrooms and tiles installed ourselves (this is not yet calculated in the current offer). In this offer, a sanitary fitting budget of €4,500 is included and a tile price of about €30/sqm (about $33/sq ft). We are building in Saarland, and I think and know (due to relatives in Bavaria) that land prices here are around €110/sqm (about $102/sq ft) and the price per square meter for a turnkey house is significantly lower than in Bavaria, for example. But that is not our main concern; with two identical construction specifications we already have a difference of €45,000 (about $49,000), which the more expensive company explained by the fact that they build model homes, have several salespeople, and each has their own secretary, office, company car, phone, laptop... All in all, I have to say, where does anyone get these prices from? There isn’t even a realistic regional comparison or reference point if I take our example...
I find the ground floor extension unattractive. You will probably use the balcony rarely, but it will add costs during construction and maintenance. I also don’t like the toilet without a window located right in the middle. The kitchen layout is not very ergonomic. Consider reducing the size of the ground floor and enlarging the upper floor so that both levels have a similar area. The utility room on the ground floor would then be much smaller, but you could create a laundry room upstairs (where the laundry is done) and also add a walk-in closet. The facade still needs some fine-tuning; so far, I don’t find it very appealing. For the dining table area, I would choose larger windows, especially facing south. Attached is a suggestion on how the layout could be rearranged. Windows are only partially indicated in the sketch.
Würfel* schrieb:
I find the ground floor extension unattractive. You probably won’t use the balcony much anyway, but it will add costs during construction and maintenance. I also don’t like the bathroom placed in the middle without a window. The kitchen layout is not very ergonomic. Consider reducing the size of the ground floor and enlarging the upper floor so that both levels are approximately the same size. The technical room on the ground floor would then be significantly smaller, but you could add a utility room upstairs (where the laundry is done) and even include a walk-in closet. The facade should also be refined, as I don’t find it particularly appealing so far. For the dining area, I would suggest larger windows, especially facing south. Attached is a suggestion for a revised layout. Windows are only partially indicated.
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Unfortunately, those who refuse to learn cannot be helped. The point raised by @ypg is correct and important.
Architects often just throw out a turnkey price, but in the end, you will have to pay the bill!
€280,000 (about $300,000) for approximately 175 m² (1,883 sq ft) of living space turnkey is absolutely unrealistic, no matter where you build in Germany! With your requirements, you quickly reach a higher-end finish.
For comparison: We are currently planning a very similar 180 m² (1,938 sq ft) city villa with a fireplace, controlled ventilation system, air-to-water heat pump, photovoltaic system, single garage, KFW 55 standard, in an upscale version, and we are currently receiving offers around €450,000 (about $485,000) just for the house (plus landscaping, land, and additional construction costs). This is realistic!
Architects often just throw out a turnkey price, but in the end, you will have to pay the bill!
€280,000 (about $300,000) for approximately 175 m² (1,883 sq ft) of living space turnkey is absolutely unrealistic, no matter where you build in Germany! With your requirements, you quickly reach a higher-end finish.
For comparison: We are currently planning a very similar 180 m² (1,938 sq ft) city villa with a fireplace, controlled ventilation system, air-to-water heat pump, photovoltaic system, single garage, KFW 55 standard, in an upscale version, and we are currently receiving offers around €450,000 (about $485,000) just for the house (plus landscaping, land, and additional construction costs). This is realistic!
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