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@ruppsn
I find it very exhausting to copy my posts just to counter your interpretations.

An example:

ypg schrieb:
I won’t say anything about the external contractors that Reuter and others have in their database. Anyone can sign up as a “Hei-o-pei” just to fill up empty job books.

ruppsn schrieb:
What was meant if not that the contractors at Reuter (or MyHammer) and so on are all “Hei-o-peis”... It’s not like I was the only one who understood it that way. Some other posts apparently took it the same way... so I would rule out this being purely a misunderstanding on the recipient’s part.

I didn’t say that all contractors in the database are “Hei-o-peis” are, I said that anyone can sign up there so that they appear in the database.
That doesn’t mean all in the database are “Hei-o-peis,” only that they are represented among others.
And this was in reference to the statement here in the forum that even Reuter offers a contractor service, which is supposedly great. I mean that this service means nothing. It’s a database offered as a service by Reuter. Any company can register if they want to. The same applies to the Ikea kitchens service.
Consumers are better off hiring a contractor from their region, possibly from their town or someone they trust.

I did not mention MyHammer in this context.
Nor do I see in other posts that anyone else misunderstood it as badly as you did.

Therefore, I won’t address anything else anymore. It is misinterpreted anyway. It’s a waste of my time.
It doesn’t help the OP at all.

Joedreck schrieb:
Call the general contractor in 4.5 years with “my toilet is clogged!”
With luck, you’ll get a proper answer, with bad luck you’ll only hear loud laughter.

I also don’t understand what this hostility is supposed to achieve!

As if this was about bashing general contractors and their home building.

HilfeHilfe schrieb:
Not a clog, but the pipe in the wall is broken, and the mess is coming out everywhere.

You’re getting excited over a small, figurative example.

Then write it like that... Because that can happen more quickly due to a blockage.
If it’s the pipe’s fault: it’s the general contractor’s responsibility.
If it’s the toilet’s fault: tough luck.

But it’s true. Enforcing claims can be very, very difficult. Unfortunately, that’s generally the case right now. Without liability insurance, you’re basically helpless. The general contractor will just let you bleed out.

ypg schrieb:
@ruppsn
I find it very exhausting to copy my posts just to counter your interpretations.

…okay, I understand that. But apparently, it’s inevitable and happens to you as well.

An example:

ypg schrieb:
And referring to the fact that it was said here in the forum that even Reuter offers a craftsman service, so that’s totally great.

No one claimed that. The point was simply to clarify that there are indeed plumbers who are willing to install materials supplied by the builder. It was implied that no one would install such materials, which is not true. Nothing more, nothing less. Nor did anyone say these are all premium tradespeople; it was confirmed that there are also poor ones. Just like in real life, you can encounter an incompetent person even with the main contractor. You can, but you don’t have to. I also specifically mentioned that finding a plumber who installs third-party materials in metropolitan areas or larger cities can be an option. I never claimed that it is possible everywhere in Good Old.

ypg schrieb:
I mean that this service means nothing. It is a database as a service for Reuter. Any company can register if they want to. The same applies to the Ikea kitchen service.

That’s your opinion, and that’s fine. Mine is that you definitely have to look carefully and not just take the first listing without thinking. In my opinion, it’s no different from the Yellow Pages. You find poor tradespeople everywhere, including in the database—of course—but also locally and with the main contractor. The latter might make it difficult to refuse commissioning. I won’t say more; the rest you interpret freely, which is quite normal. That’s why people communicate with each other…

ypg schrieb:
The consumer is better off hiring a tradesperson from their region, possibly from their town or someone they trust.

I fully agree with you there as well. I absolutely say nothing to the contrary. So why would that exclude, for example, the Reuter database? There are perfectly normal local tradespeople listed there, right? It’s not about not hiring non-local tradespeople. If the database doesn’t show anyone nearby or only poor tradespeople, then you probably have to bite the bullet and hire the tradesperson who brings the materials and maybe charges a high price. The likelihood of that is just lower in cities and metropolitan areas, hence my limitation to those areas. So what’s the problem?

ypg schrieb:
I didn’t mention MyHammer in this context.
I also don’t see any other posts where someone else misunderstood it as badly as you did.

Let it go. Apparently, we have different perceptions…and won’t get any further. So my suggestion is to leave it at that, okay?

ypg schrieb:
Therefore, I won’t respond further. It’s just interpreted wrong anyway. It’s a waste of time for me.
It doesn’t benefit the original poster at all.

Fully agree…
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ypg schrieb:
As if this is about bashing main contractors and their house building.

Your interpretation, which I don’t share and don’t perceive either. I stated my motivation above at least. Of course, I can’t speak for others, but I haven’t detected any intent to bash main contractors yet… anyway, we won’t get any further on this.

Joedreck schrieb:
Then write it like that... Because it can happen faster due to a clog.
If it’s the pipe’s fault: responsibility of the general contractor.
If it’s the toilet’s fault: bad luck.

But it’s true. Enforcing claims can be very, very difficult. Unfortunately, that’s generally the case at the moment. Without liability insurance, you’re basically helpless. The general contractor will just let you bleed out.

As I said, I have no understanding for dismantling a house and general contractor that costs upwards of 400,000 (400k) and then getting into trouble.

That would be like ordering an Audi A4, configuring it, and then not having the seats delivered because they are too expensive and having them installed in Poland.

HilfeHilfe schrieb:
As I said, I don’t understand dismantling a house and a general contractor that costs 400,000 and up, just to invite trouble.

That would be like ordering an Audi A4, configuring it, and then not including the seats because they are too expensive, and having them installed later in Poland.

You see, this is where we differ. In my opinion, it’s an option you don’t have to take, but you can, depending on your personality and how you prefer things. I don’t personally believe the risk of disputes is higher. I completely understand and don’t want to dismiss that you have a different view from your own experience.

For me, the risk of suffering damage correlates with the probability of occurrence — and for the reasons mentioned, that you can find incompetents anywhere — I don’t see it as significantly higher than hiring a local trade company with a good reputation (which I might find in a database, for example, like Reuter).

If trouble arises, it’s definitely frustrating, but I cannot personally imagine that going through a general contractor would automatically be less stressful.

For example, with the Audi A4, I would rather see it like this: I would NOT order the amazing but ridiculously expensive alloys, but instead source and have them installed myself (or do it myself). But surely there are different views on this… and that’s perfectly fine. Nothing is mandatory, but many things are possible…

Even if this house building forum fills up with 20 pages, the people who say "I buy from the plumber at sky-high prices" won't get their money back. Why not start your own thread: "I buy from the plumber and I'm happy" so you can reassure each other?