ᐅ House extends above ground level – how much soil can be backfilled (with shallow basement)?
Created on: 15 Oct 2022 19:11
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Machu Picchu
Hello everyone,
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
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Machu Picchu15 Oct 2022 21:35Yosan schrieb:
Would, would... At some point, you will have to face reality because this isn’t a small issue. How much budget is allocated for the exterior area?
30,000. If necessary, more later, but then the carport, solar panels, etc., will have to be postponed.
For your information: All houses on my street are elevated, and none of them have a sewage lifting system (all other houses are over 30 years old). However, none of the others extend out as far as ours (meaning our basement is 70 cm (28 inches) higher than the left neighbor’s), because as mentioned, the neighbors don’t have a habitable basement and therefore a shallower basement than us. Just to give you the overall picture. Since our house is much smaller than the neighboring houses and because we extend 70 cm (28 inches) higher, all houses, including ours, end up roughly the same height…
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Machu Picchu15 Oct 2022 21:50hanse987 schrieb:
How did your house designer plan the terrain slope? They must have included something in their plans. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to upload the original plans, but they look roughly like this:
Profile of the side with the double-wing terrace door:
Profile of the side with the front door:
Machu Picchu schrieb:
We are now in the final phase of our house construction.Yes, I can see that – the construction progress is incredible, or rather, dramatic for a project that apparently is still in its early planning stages (with an attitude like: "Site – what’s that? We’ll deal with it later" ???). Who exactly are you: a client of a general contractor who also “planned” the project? I already need oxygen and heart medication when I see, of all things, ten steps leading up to the front door clearly designed without much thought, and the minus-three-meter (minus-10 feet) measurement of the manhole cover height seems to have been completely ignored. I’d say the landscaping is a matter for the planner’s professional liability insurance ;-)
The hope that a forum community will pull this mess out of the mud is quite cute ;-)
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Machu Picchu schrieb:
Then the basement would basically be fully exposed,Machu Picchu schrieb:
it would basically serve as the ground floorBut it is already exposed now and is basically the ground floor. Whether it is buried another 70cm (28 inches) doesn’t really matter. The fact is that your patio doors and front door can only be accessed by scaffolding.I don’t know what you are seeing now or why you are dismissing the ideas… These are the alternatives to the general contractor’s proposal.
Machu Picchu schrieb:
No idea if I’m allowed to upload the original plans, but the plans look roughly like this:Why don’t you implement what you have planned? You basically don’t have more options than these and the ones suggested to you here.
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Machu Picchu15 Oct 2022 22:3311ant schrieb:
Who exactly are you: the client of a general contractor who also did the design?
That's correct. Placeholder placeholder.
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Machu Picchu15 Oct 2022 22:36ypg schrieb:
I don’t know what you’re seeing now or why you’re discouraging the ideas…
That wasn’t meant to be discouraging. More like thinking out loud.
ypg schrieb:
Why don’t you want to carry out what you planned there?Because it actually feels different than on the plans before construction started, I’m looking for alternatives. And I wanted to get the community’s opinion.
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