ᐅ House extends above ground level – how much soil can be backfilled (with shallow basement)?
Created on: 15 Oct 2022 19:11
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Machu Picchu
Hello everyone,
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
we are now in the final phase of our house construction.
Because the sewage system on our property is not far below ground level and we did not install a sewage lift system, our basement was only excavated to a shallow depth.
The ceiling height of the basement rooms is 2.50m (8 feet 2 inches), as these areas are intended to be living spaces, unlike the neighboring houses, whose basement heights are lower.
As a result, our front door and the two patio doors are positioned much higher than those of the neighboring houses. In the next few days, soil will be filled up to the level of the terrace and front doors.
I do not want this to turn into a discussion about different construction methods; instead, I am looking for advice on how to best handle this somewhat unusual situation.
First, some photos:
Marked in red are the two patio doors. Soil will be filled up to just below these patio doors, except, of course, at light wells and shafts. The terrace will be paved around the corner, following the two indicated patio doors (because we wanted two sunny sides on the terrace for different times of the day). To the left of the single-leaf patio door (where the exterior plaster ends), a retaining wall will be built from the terrace level down to the ground.
This is a front view. On the left, the construction staircase leads up to the entrance door. The front door is at the same level as the two patio doors.
Here is the view from the back.
This is the view from the back toward the front door.
And here is another rear view including the neighboring houses.
As planned, as mentioned, soil will be filled up to the level of the house and terrace doors, and at this level the garden will be designed on the side of the large double patio door as well as behind the house, with steep slopes created just before the property boundary.
On the front door side, soil will also be filled up to front door level.
Toward the "front" (the side with the single patio door), the street level will be reached by terrace-like steps with 2-3 slope terraces supported by walls/granite.
Our concern now is: if we fill soil all around the house at door level on the side with the double patio door, at the back, and on the front door side, our garden height will be so high that, compared to the neighbors, our house will stand out significantly due to the very elevated ground level.
We are now considering ways to soften this.
One idea is to fill soil to door level only at the terrace wrapping the corner and directly at the front door, and to fill soil, for example, 50cm (20 inches) below door level everywhere else.
This way, the garden level would not be so dramatically higher than the neighbors’.
The problem with this is that we would partially expose the "basement" and areas without exterior plaster would become visible. We would likely need to hire a plasterer on our own to plaster additional areas and paint them with gray base paint. Time is tight because the soil will be delivered for filling within the next days/weeks. How long would such plastering take and what would it approximately cost?
Question to the forum: What do you think about this? Do you have other solutions? Or are our concerns unfounded?
Thank you very much in advance for any advice.
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Hausbautraum2015 Oct 2022 20:04Phew, that looks quite extreme.
I would design the terrace as a balcony and have stairs at the front door. This is quite common here in areas with steep slopes.
The other option would be large retaining walls, but these are not always allowed everywhere and can be quite expensive.
I would design the terrace as a balcony and have stairs at the front door. This is quite common here in areas with steep slopes.
The other option would be large retaining walls, but these are not always allowed everywhere and can be quite expensive.
Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
Phew, that looks quite extreme.
I would plan the terrace as a balcony and have stairs leading to the front door. This is quite common here in areas with steep slopes.
The other option would be large retaining walls, but those are not always allowed everywhere and can be quite expensive. That was also my first thought. You would just need to check if the balcony would be high enough to stand underneath. Otherwise, it might be better to build up the ground there, construct walls around it (taking water drainage into account), and keep the rest at the original level. You will probably need stairs at the front door anyway, since there is hardly any land left on the side and water cannot simply be discharged onto the neighbor’s property. So, you’ll also have to ensure proper drainage.
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Machu Picchu15 Oct 2022 20:37ypg schrieb:
Is that even allowed?
Because for exactly this reason, the grading or slope is usually heavily restricted in the development plan (or is it governed by the regional building code?), unless it’s already a hillside property. In that case, development plans tend to be more flexible, but they still limit heights so that neighbors don’t have to look at a retaining wall or have it cast shadows on their property. There are no restrictions on slopes or similar in the development plan.
Here is the site plan (I marked the 8.18m (27 feet) measurement):
ypg schrieb:
I think the planner did a terrible job here; I would be upset and consider suing for damages myself. How would that even work? Of course, we approved the plans as they were; but the full impact is not really clear from the drawing itself...
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Machu Picchu15 Oct 2022 20:38ypg schrieb:
Where is the front door actually located? As mentioned: It is where the construction staircase ends. See the second-to-last picture.
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Machu Picchu15 Oct 2022 20:50Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
I would design the terrace as a balcony and have the front door with stairs.If the terrace is designed as a balcony, we would technically have a garden at ground level, but there would be no direct access to the garden from the house except through the front door. Or do you mean the balcony would have stairs leading down to the garden?
Furthermore, the small single-leaf patio door on the narrower side of the house would then be out of place, as I doubt it would be possible to build such a large corner balcony that includes both the double patio door on the wider side and the single patio door on the narrow side.
A disadvantage of the balcony solution is that we can’t make the balcony too large, because the space underneath the balcony would become unusable with less than about 2 meters (6.5 feet) of height. And a small balcony isn’t really what we have in mind — that’s more suited to an apartment.
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