ᐅ Solid wood house / partial self-construction, wall structure / differences
Created on: 13 Oct 2013 09:46
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Ralf-Bux
Good morning,
I am new here... and also new to the topic of “building a house.”
My wife and I have already read quite a bit, but we are not professionals.
We want to build a healthy single-family wooden house for our family of four.
The choice between wood and stone is no longer a question for us. It will clearly be wood.
Until now, we thought it would be a solid wood house. At first, a modern log house, but after further research, we have now settled on Holz 100 or rather “Only Wood” by Rombach.
After several discussions with general contractors, carpenters, etc., we finally consulted an architect (it would then be KfW 40 standard) who told us that we would be better off with a wood frame construction.
We are generally aware of the differences, but we are not really sure and would be very grateful for your opinions.
Especially the technical pros and cons regarding energy efficiency, building ecology, wall construction...
We are planning a 130sqm (1400 sq ft) single-family house with 4 bedrooms plus a spare room... and of course kitchen and other rooms. No basement. The plot is already owned. Heating should be provided only by a masonry heater. Hot water with an on-demand water heater + photovoltaics. (If necessary, infrared heating).
The budget is clearly set at 210,000 EUR for everything. That will be challenging, of course, but we have several craftsmen in the family and plan to do quite a bit of the work ourselves.
Thank you very much...
Ralf
I am new here... and also new to the topic of “building a house.”
My wife and I have already read quite a bit, but we are not professionals.
We want to build a healthy single-family wooden house for our family of four.
The choice between wood and stone is no longer a question for us. It will clearly be wood.
Until now, we thought it would be a solid wood house. At first, a modern log house, but after further research, we have now settled on Holz 100 or rather “Only Wood” by Rombach.
After several discussions with general contractors, carpenters, etc., we finally consulted an architect (it would then be KfW 40 standard) who told us that we would be better off with a wood frame construction.
We are generally aware of the differences, but we are not really sure and would be very grateful for your opinions.
Especially the technical pros and cons regarding energy efficiency, building ecology, wall construction...
We are planning a 130sqm (1400 sq ft) single-family house with 4 bedrooms plus a spare room... and of course kitchen and other rooms. No basement. The plot is already owned. Heating should be provided only by a masonry heater. Hot water with an on-demand water heater + photovoltaics. (If necessary, infrared heating).
The budget is clearly set at 210,000 EUR for everything. That will be challenging, of course, but we have several craftsmen in the family and plan to do quite a bit of the work ourselves.
Thank you very much...
Ralf
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friedrich2725 Nov 2013 12:26That’s exactly what I was waiting for. A system provider must employ an architect and an engineer just like anyone else. On top of that, they have to cover advertising, show homes, commissions, and so on.
What options does the homeowner have if they don’t want to pay the expert? Use a system provider or manage it themselves? And then there’s all the complaining on those friendly homebuilding shows about the “bad” companies.
Once again, it’s clear: “Being stingy is cool”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What options does the homeowner have if they don’t want to pay the expert? Use a system provider or manage it themselves? And then there’s all the complaining on those friendly homebuilding shows about the “bad” companies.
Once again, it’s clear: “Being stingy is cool”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bauexperte schrieb:
Hello,
this is typically German again ...
Regards, BauexperteThat is typical Bauexperte again...No one is saying that the professional isn’t worth their fee or that they are unnecessary.
friedrich27 schrieb:
This is exactly what I have been waiting for. A system provider also has to employ an architect and engineer. On top of that, they have advertising costs, show homes, commissions, and so on.
What options does the homebuyer have if they don’t want to pay the professional? Use a system provider or manage everything themselves? And then there is all the complaining on those popular building shows about the “bad” companies.
Once again, it has to be said: “Being cheap is cool”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This argument is quite flawed. Anyone who actually watches these shows regularly will quickly notice that most of the “defrauded” homebuyers did indeed hire a (supposed) professional. The real issue is more about distinguishing between a genuine expert and a fake one, which many people simply find overwhelming. You also can’t expect (although maybe it should be mandatory?) all homebuyers to register with the house-building forum beforehand and get informed about the proper costs of building a house.
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Bauexperte25 Nov 2013 12:36Hello,
Regards, Bauexperte
kaho674 schrieb:Yes, that is (unfortunately) true ... and I am already limiting myself to the most obvious nonsense that some users here come up with.
That is typical Bauexperte again...
kaho674 schrieb:I did not respond to "no one," but to your last comment.
No one claims that a professional is not worth the money or that they are unnecessary.
kaho674 schrieb:A quite strange question for a self-employed person who depends on the consumers’ budgets/wallets, especially since the question itself implies that the desire to build comes before any reasonable considerations.
Although I seriously wonder how much the budget will shrink in thousands of euros if I find a true expert in this eco-building method and then hire them for it.
Regards, Bauexperte
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Bauexperte25 Nov 2013 12:46Hello,
Now I’m happy to return your earlier “compliment” – this is once again typical kaho.
The reason these shows exist – aside from the fact that they are scripted from A to Z – is, in most cases, simply because the featured homeowners wanted a Bentley at the price of a Lupo. Only very few homeowners have actually had bad luck with reputable suppliers, and you generally won’t find them either in forums or on TV. As is the case everywhere, there are always two sides to every story.
Here’s one of many examples I have witnessed firsthand and can describe here, since I am by no means a fan of any particular suppliers and cannot be accused of promoting them.
One sunny autumn day in the Rhineland, a prefabricated house was scheduled to be assembled and the process was being filmed. What happened is every crane operator’s dream – there was no wind, and the wall installation went smoothly. This didn’t fit the “script” of the filming crew, of course. So they had to dismantle everything again and wait for windy weather. Only after they had filmed scenes with shaking walls were the film crew satisfied and left.
Best regards, Bauexperte
kaho674 schrieb:
The argument is seriously flawed. Anyone who regularly watches these shows quickly notices that most of the "scammed" homeowners did indeed hire a (supposed) expert. The real issue seems to be telling a genuine expert from a fake one, which many people find difficult. You also can't expect (although maybe it should be mandatory?) all homeowners to register on a housebuilding forum and get informed beforehand about what a proper house actually costs.
Now I’m happy to return your earlier “compliment” – this is once again typical kaho.
The reason these shows exist – aside from the fact that they are scripted from A to Z – is, in most cases, simply because the featured homeowners wanted a Bentley at the price of a Lupo. Only very few homeowners have actually had bad luck with reputable suppliers, and you generally won’t find them either in forums or on TV. As is the case everywhere, there are always two sides to every story.
Here’s one of many examples I have witnessed firsthand and can describe here, since I am by no means a fan of any particular suppliers and cannot be accused of promoting them.
One sunny autumn day in the Rhineland, a prefabricated house was scheduled to be assembled and the process was being filmed. What happened is every crane operator’s dream – there was no wind, and the wall installation went smoothly. This didn’t fit the “script” of the filming crew, of course. So they had to dismantle everything again and wait for windy weather. Only after they had filmed scenes with shaking walls were the film crew satisfied and left.
Best regards, Bauexperte
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Bauexperte25 Nov 2013 13:14Hello,
Consumers’ budgets = dependent on customer behavior—tiresome half-knowledge from the internet claiming everything can be done cheaper (of course, assuming the same quality)
I always like to know who I’m dealing with and how to interpret statements, especially when the provided profile is not very informative. Therefore, I know what kind of self-employment you are involved in; these days with Google & Co., that’s not difficult.
If you had worded it as you did in your latest reply, I wouldn’t have reacted at all.
Regards, Bauexperte
kaho674 schrieb:You are self-employed and should know how important professional advice is—even in your seller’s market.
What does one have to do with the other? I can’t follow. Or do you mean that I have to support all independent specialists just because I’m self-employed? That would be nonsense. And what does that have to do with the consumers’ budgets?
Consumers’ budgets = dependent on customer behavior—tiresome half-knowledge from the internet claiming everything can be done cheaper (of course, assuming the same quality)
I always like to know who I’m dealing with and how to interpret statements, especially when the provided profile is not very informative. Therefore, I know what kind of self-employment you are involved in; these days with Google & Co., that’s not difficult.
kaho674 schrieb:I read what is written black on white; I have no other option. It might well be that you “ consider the whole project for €210,000 (about $230,000) completely unrealistic. And if I now subtract the specialist, who is undeniably necessary, the project in my opinion is dead. That’s all I wanted to say.” — I don’t want to accuse you of anything. However, the way you sometimes respond—for example recently to “nordanney”—leaves room for the exact opposite assumption; only to then confirm the content of “nordanney’s” statements in the following post.
Maybe you are “implying” more than you should.
If you had worded it as you did in your latest reply, I wouldn’t have reacted at all.
Regards, Bauexperte
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