ᐅ Ideas for Driveway and Outdoor Areas Without Concrete

Created on: 13 Nov 2021 11:01
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pagoni2020
In the short term, we have the option to design the outdoor area, specifically the driveway and carport.
We want to use as little concrete paving as possible, ideally none at all—maybe only under the carport.
The area is quite large and would probably look too smooth and too concrete-heavy.
We are considering options like gravel or crushed stone with or without a stabilizing grid, or paving only a single driving lane. However, we haven’t found the perfect solution yet.
On the plan, I have marked the narrow driveway, which then curves to the left and defines the back part of the carport, as a storage room will be located underneath there. Furthermore, the parking or usage area along the right gable side should only extend halfway along the house, because beyond that there are large windows, and we prefer to look out onto the greenery rather than a parked car.
Any suggestions are welcome, and then we will see if and how our contractor can implement them.
In general, we like the idea of a kind of bound gravel surface, known here as a “Saxon bound surface,” essentially a large area covered with gravel or crushed stone, but arranged in a practical way suitable for walking on and for occasional driving over once a day.
The property is almost flat, with only a slight incline of 20cm (8 inches) in the driveway.

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11ant13 Nov 2021 18:50
pagoni2020 schrieb:

Where exactly is the problem supposed to be?
You can only reach the 8.98-meter (29.5-foot) carport if the 8.81-meter (28.9-foot) carport doesn’t have a corner post; and even then, you can only turn the car inside the 8.98-meter (29.5-foot) carport to park it in the 8.81-meter (28.9-foot) carport if the car parked closer to the house is not there.
barfly666 schrieb:

So, a neighbor here has laid these herringbone thin bricks combined with gravel; the bricks look really great. [...] Maybe a combination of gravel with grass pavers for the driving and walking paths would work (the spaces in the pavers can also be filled with gravel)?
I would find a combination of bricks for the driving lanes and a bound gravel surface with the paddock grids the smartest solution. In my estimate, this works best with about 2 cm (0.8 inches) cover over the grids.
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hampshire
13 Nov 2021 18:51
pagoni2020 schrieb:

Please clarify for me where my parking problem is
I’m already laughing about this myself. Can’t anyone else reverse through a curve without getting their heart rate up?
11ant13 Nov 2021 19:00
hampshire schrieb:

I’m already laughing so hard about this. Can no one anymore steer backward through a curve without an increased pulse?

Actually, I just don’t agree with Lt. Frank Drebin’s idea that you have to reverse on the way back. That’s why I would never want to get in my own way by having to drive onto my property in reverse and also leave it in reverse.
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pagoni2020
13 Nov 2021 19:06
11ant schrieb:

You can only achieve the 8.98 carport if the 8.81 carport has no corner post; even then, you can only turn the car inside the 8.81 carport if the car parked closer to the house isn’t there.
So:
The one marked 8.98 will be the only carport with an entrance width between 4 and 5 meters (13 and 16 feet).
The area marked 8.81 is and will remain not a carport, but just an uncovered open space that is simply there and we plan to use for parking, chopping wood, or trampoline exercises.
Either we park inside the carport (8.98) and then reverse out from there (for example, reversing onto the 8.81 area and then onto the street, or directly reversing out), or we drive straight onto the uncovered open space on the gable side (8.81) and park there. Exiting from both places is done by reversing, but that is nothing unusual.
For “safety,” we limit our entrance platform so that you can only walk to the side from it, preventing anyone from walking directly into a passing car.
Maybe it’s clearer now... I’ll do my very best... I just noticed that I had painted over the word “garage” in the area 8.98 😀
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pagoni2020
13 Nov 2021 19:17
11ant schrieb:

Well, I just don’t agree with Lt. Frank Drebin’s idea that you have to reverse when leaving a place. That’s why I would never want to block myself by driving forward onto my property and then having to reverse off it as well.

That is probably no longer possible now, although I could still drive around the house. There is plenty of space 😀 and it will also be kept available as an option for a small excavator or similar, in case it’s ever needed in the garden. Even though the plot is quite large, the driveway was designed rather narrow, so in my opinion a forward exit would hardly have been feasible.
The carport ended up there because it provides privacy from the neighbor and is close to the house entrance, although the carport will be more like a general-purpose covered area where maybe a car could be parked, rather than a dry storage space for various things; the old car gladly stays outdoors anyway.
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hampshire
13 Nov 2021 19:24
My wife and I routinely use our driveway – about 100m (330 feet) long with a 90-degree bend narrowing sharply toward the street, featuring an elevation change of over 10m (33 feet) – in a turntable style, even though it is possible to turn around at the top. My son reverses before parking and has managed to secure one of the two convenient carport spaces for winter. Clever guy – but I have only myself to blame since I gave him (warning: big ego!) a weather-sensitive open two-seater sports car with a turbocharged Mercedes mid-engine Smart Roadster 452 from 2003.

One solution could be a turntable, which would also solve the issue with the surface. :p