Dear forum,
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
Nida35a schrieb:
Encouragement
The old weekend cottages had no heating, meaning they weren’t suitable for winter and are being phased out one after another.
On these lots, single-family homes and multi-family homes are being built and lived in.
So build properly; your lightweight plan already costs €200,000–300,000 (about $210,000–315,000) and that as a temporary solution?
What will happen in 40 years, neither of us knows.
Maybe marauding gangs will roam Berlin, or a self-driving car will take you to the doctor and shopping, or who knows what else.
I would build a proper house, not just a summer residence. Okay, that made me laugh. 🙂 There’s some truth to that, I can’t rule anything out. I’m just thinking about the ongoing costs until then and the likely investments needed after 30 years. We’re not completely comfortable with either option yet, so your feedback really helps!
11ant schrieb:
The question says the answer is no.
I wouldn’t want to fetch my non-tenant bed linens and coffee cups, etc., from the attic accessed via the pull-down stairs every time I’m using the place myself.
Outside, there’s only little pots: in my view, the whole tiny house and similar segment carries a “green premium.” Minimalists are willing to pay an avant-garde price level for their mission to save the planet, and in market economies one basic principle is that purchasing power wants to be tapped. But you could also build a simple outbuilding for that. The price per square meter there is definitely different than for additional living space.
Completely agree on the “organic label” thing. It’s also why we can live so affordably in the generally criticized large panel system buildings right in the city center. Normally, I avoid that kind of housing, but here I already see an advantage in the—absolutely speaking—low construction costs. Initial talks with Schwörerhaus suggest that all in, including transport and foundation work, it’s around €200,000 (about $210,000). Even after KfW subsidies, that’s a lot of money for 50 m² (about 540 sq ft).
GeradeSchräg schrieb:
I also like the first floor plan for its intended purpose. I might consider removing the current “guest WC.” Making that room a bit smaller would give the wardrobe more space, and the remaining area could be integrated as a walk-in shower in the bathroom. Personally, that would be more important to me in my holiday home than having a separate WC.
But just a suggestion; you’ve surely put thought into this. Those are good ideas; we’ll gladly take them on board. Unfortunately, the bungalow looks rather unattractive from the outside with its small roof overhang, small windows, and gable roof. :/
Patrick. schrieb:
But you could also just build a simple outbuilding for that. The price per square meter is certainly very different compared to additional living space. Trust someone who has been designing residential buildings for over 40 years when I say that’s a bad idea. If the price per square meter bothers you, then look into shell homes rather than brands like Bien-Zenker or Schwörerhaus.
Patrick. schrieb:
I totally agree with the "organic label." It’s also the reason why we can live so affordably in the generally criticized panel buildings right in the city center. I live in a masonry house; the Trizone companies simply can’t bring panel construction up to world-class standards. However, the prices for organic-labeled homes are more in the Tiny House & similar market segment, here shown with a less specific example from a premium provider.
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Tolentino schrieb:
We discussed this topic here a few days ago; Helma once offered a 100,000 EUR (about 108,000 USD) shell house. That might be an option. However, I’m not sure if they still offer it or what exactly is included. No, better avoid the big names with their attractive teaser offers, Helma as well as Heinz von Heiden and the like. I would rather consider Scanhaus Marlow, Danhaus, or similar companies. It’s usually better to get shell houses from discount standard suppliers or directly from specialist shell house builders. It’s more economical to drive a Seat than to downgrade an Audi to basic trim.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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Patrick. schrieb:
Turnkey for about 250,000 euros including the foundation slab. So 300,000–320,900 euros without land?
For a loan repayment of over 1,000 euros monthly, I would rather lease a motorhome for half the money. Or rent a dacha.
I wouldn’t want to be tied to one place just for weekends or vacations. There are too many activities or events available elsewhere.
Patrick. schrieb:
Even after KfW subsidies For a second home? Are there subsidies for that?
In general, it’s never optimal to own property that you don’t monitor daily.
Something that might be relevant for you: unregulated plots without building obligations can be used with a tiny house, camper, or something similar.
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