Dear forum,
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
Patrick. schrieb:
We have an offer for an 88 m² (950 sq ft) bungalow [...] What do the experts say? I prefer the term professional; “experts” are just the blowhards you find on talk show panels ;-)
I would take the basic model as is and make two changes: first, extend the main axis of the house by about the size of a second child’s bedroom (that would be my non-rented family storage room). On the other side of the corridor, this extension would benefit the living-kitchen area and also provide more space for a fireplace. Second, I would create an open roof soffit (note: acoustic ceiling!) with roof windows above the living-kitchen area. The utility room still has enough space (without any changes) for a broom closet with a built-in safe.
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That’s interesting,
the tens of thousands of weekend plots owned by Berlin residents in the surrounding areas are becoming increasingly scarce,
as they are now too expensive for a hobby or recreation.
You want to buy/build exactly that at a high cost.
To me, the logical approach would be
to make it truly age-appropriate, barrier-free (which is a luxury in younger years), with a modern heating system.
Use it as a weekend house now and rent it out,
with the option to move in later, sell, or do whatever you want.
Don’t waste money on a temporary solution.
the tens of thousands of weekend plots owned by Berlin residents in the surrounding areas are becoming increasingly scarce,
as they are now too expensive for a hobby or recreation.
You want to buy/build exactly that at a high cost.
To me, the logical approach would be
to make it truly age-appropriate, barrier-free (which is a luxury in younger years), with a modern heating system.
Use it as a weekend house now and rent it out,
with the option to move in later, sell, or do whatever you want.
Don’t waste money on a temporary solution.
Nida35a schrieb:
That’s interesting,
the tens of thousands of weekend plots owned by Berliners in the surrounding areas are becoming scarcer,
since they are now too expensive for a hobby or relaxation.
You want to buy/build exactly that, but expensive.
To me, the logic would be
to make it truly age-appropriate, accessible (which is a luxury when you’re young), with a modern heating system.
Use it now as a weekend house and rent it out,
with the option to move in later, sell it, or whatever.
Don’t waste money on a temporary solution. How should we understand your opening words? Is that criticism of the plan or encouragement? We have also discussed the topic of age-appropriate housing => senior residence. I just wouldn’t know what one would do in old age living in the countryside. Especially then, you need short distances to shops, doctors, and cultural offerings. None of that is available there. Hence the concern about planning now for a scenario in 40 years that may never happen and that costs extra money in the meantime. The heating system will likely have to be replaced anyway because it will be worn out by then. Or am I missing something?
11ant schrieb:
I prefer the title “professional,” “experts” are just windbags on talk show panels ;-)
I would take the basic model like this and change two things: first, extend the building axis by about the size of a second children’s bedroom (that would be my non-rented family stuff room), on the other side of the corridor the addition would benefit the living-kitchen area and also create more space for a fireplace; second, above the living-kitchen area I would create an open roof underside (caution: acoustic ceiling!) with skylights. In the utility connection room there is (without changes) also room for a broom closet with a built-in safe. Interesting idea! Of course, any further enlargement costs quite a bit more. Family stuff could also be stored in the unheated attic space of the bungalow. Whether that’s practical is another question. I like the idea of the open roof underside. I need to ask how the roof is insulated. I believe the standard only insulates the ceiling between floors?
Last week, we visited the hybrid house (a lived-in model home).
We liked it very much too. Although I still have some doubts about summer heat protection regarding the glazed dome.
And what are the opinions on the Schwörerhaus Flying Space? At first glance, it seemed unrealistically expensive to us, but after deducting subsidies and considering the low costs for the foundation, it’s not so uninteresting anymore.
Patrick. schrieb:
How should your opening words be understood? Is that criticism of the project or support?Support The old weekend cottages were without heating, meaning not suitable for winter use, and are being phased out one after another.
Single-family homes and multi-family houses are being built and occupied on those plots.
Therefore, build properly—your basic plan already costs 200,000 to 300,000 euros, and that as an interim solution?
Patrick. schrieb:
I just wouldn’t know what to do in the village at an old age. Especially then, you need short distances to shopping, doctors, culture. None of that is available there. That’s why I’m worried about planning now for a scenario 40 years from now that may never happen, but will cost extra money by then. What the situation will be in 40 years, neither of us knows. Maybe marauding gangs will roam through Berlin, or a self-driving car will take you to the doctor and shopping, or who knows what else.
I would build a proper house and not just a summer residence.
Patrick. schrieb:
You could also store family stuff in the cold attic of the bungalow. Whether that’s practical is another question. The question’s answer is no.
I wouldn’t want to fetch my non-tenant bed linens and non-tenant coffee cup, etc., from the pull-down attic stairs every time I use the space myself.
Patrick. schrieb:
And what are the opinions on Schwörerhaus Flying Space? Outside, it’s all about little pots: from my perspective, in the entire tiny house & co market segment, the organic certification premium applies. Minimalists value their mission to save the world at a premium avant-garde price level, and in market economies, a basic principle is that purchasing power should be tapped.
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GeradeSchräg28 Sep 2021 19:26I also find the first floor plan suitable for the purpose. I might consider removing the current guest toilet. By slightly reducing the size of that room, the wardrobe would gain more space, and the remaining area could be integrated into the bathroom as a walk-in shower. Personally, I would prioritize that in my vacation home over having a separate toilet. But just a suggestion, since you must have had your reasons for the current layout.
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