Hello everyone,
This is the construction report following an earlier thread on floor plan design.
Planned are:
618 m² (6650 sq ft) plot of land
150 m² (1615 sq ft) living space
50 m² (540 sq ft) double garage
Air-to-water heat pump with underfloor and wall heating
Zehnder ventilation system
Exterior blinds in the living room, kitchen, and gallery. Windows anthracite on both inside and outside
Smart home wireless Homematic IP
Planned budget: €300,000 including land and ancillary costs + €30,000 reserve
Plus €12,500 net for a 9.6 kWp photovoltaic system financed separately
Only small regional companies recommended by other builders are being considered.
So far, the following trades have been contracted:
Earthworks: €20,000
Shell construction: €73,000 + €1,000 for the porch above the front door, Wienerberger Poroton T9
Roof: €19,000 + €1,500 scaffolding
Electrical work: €11,000 excluding chiseling work
Window materials: 17 Salamander triple-glazed units + Beck & Heun roller shutters + 5 Selt exterior blinds = €16,000
Quotes received for:
Plastering without decorative finish: €21,000
Bathroom ceramics Villeroy & Boch: €3,000 from Reuter Bathroom Shop
Interior doors Herholz: €2,600
Hörmann front door + garage door: €3,000
Building services materials from the internet: €10,000
Zehnder ventilation unit ComfoAir Q350 TR enthalpy heat exchanger including materials: €4,000 from Selfio
Nobilia kitchen furniture: €5,500, Bosch Series 4 kitchen appliances from Für Uns Shop with 50% discount for €3,500
This is the construction report following an earlier thread on floor plan design.
Planned are:
618 m² (6650 sq ft) plot of land
150 m² (1615 sq ft) living space
50 m² (540 sq ft) double garage
Air-to-water heat pump with underfloor and wall heating
Zehnder ventilation system
Exterior blinds in the living room, kitchen, and gallery. Windows anthracite on both inside and outside
Smart home wireless Homematic IP
Planned budget: €300,000 including land and ancillary costs + €30,000 reserve
Plus €12,500 net for a 9.6 kWp photovoltaic system financed separately
Only small regional companies recommended by other builders are being considered.
So far, the following trades have been contracted:
Earthworks: €20,000
Shell construction: €73,000 + €1,000 for the porch above the front door, Wienerberger Poroton T9
Roof: €19,000 + €1,500 scaffolding
Electrical work: €11,000 excluding chiseling work
Window materials: 17 Salamander triple-glazed units + Beck & Heun roller shutters + 5 Selt exterior blinds = €16,000
Quotes received for:
Plastering without decorative finish: €21,000
Bathroom ceramics Villeroy & Boch: €3,000 from Reuter Bathroom Shop
Interior doors Herholz: €2,600
Hörmann front door + garage door: €3,000
Building services materials from the internet: €10,000
Zehnder ventilation unit ComfoAir Q350 TR enthalpy heat exchanger including materials: €4,000 from Selfio
Nobilia kitchen furniture: €5,500, Bosch Series 4 kitchen appliances from Für Uns Shop with 50% discount for €3,500
I’m not sure if it’s different for new constructions, but with my renovation, everyone I called was happy to come out immediately, assess the situation, and provide a proper quote. Occasionally, even after a site visit and follow-up, no quote was given, which clearly meant they weren’t the right fit.
All companies were really good at client acquisition... but timely execution was another matter.
All companies were really good at client acquisition... but timely execution was another matter.
Forget Hampshire.
Since Carnival, I have been chasing heating companies. The heating season starts in 6 weeks, and I still don’t have an offer.
The metalworker for the garage roof was a nightmare from October 2017 to November 2019.
Two houses here are being built entirely on our own responsibility, like @hegi. Construction started spring 2017, completion date?
One tenant is moving in September, but the exterior plaster and other work are still missing.
Personally, yes, of course, people know each other.
Bargaining? Without an offer. Especially since it is known that I pay without holding back any unofficial payments.
I know many who are only accepting larger projects, like houses, for 2022 or later.
Since Carnival, I have been chasing heating companies. The heating season starts in 6 weeks, and I still don’t have an offer.
The metalworker for the garage roof was a nightmare from October 2017 to November 2019.
Two houses here are being built entirely on our own responsibility, like @hegi. Construction started spring 2017, completion date?
One tenant is moving in September, but the exterior plaster and other work are still missing.
Personally, yes, of course, people know each other.
Bargaining? Without an offer. Especially since it is known that I pay without holding back any unofficial payments.
I know many who are only accepting larger projects, like houses, for 2022 or later.
hegi___ schrieb:
But obtaining 5 quotes from companies that are actually suitable for the job is neither unreasonable nor excessive. It depends – after all, it means that four providers have gone through the effort in vain. For that reason, I think requesting "only" five quotes right from the start is already too many. Initially, I find two quotes reasonable, and depending on how different they are, possibly three more for cross-checking (but it should be clearly stated that this is more about comparison than competition).
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11ant schrieb:
It depends – after all, it means that four providers have put in effort for nothing. From that perspective, I think requesting "only" five quotes from the start is already too many. I find it reasonable to start with two quotes, and depending on their range, request additional ones, possibly three more for cross-checking (but it should be made clear that this is more about comparison than competition). Lol
How do you want to establish your price position in the market with only two quotes?
Statistically speaking, that’s not enough data.
But to each their own.
Then it's no surprise why many people here always talk about sky-high prices.
I can’t get much out of that. In the past, people would simply eliminate the best and worst offers first. I don’t think asking for five quotes—assuming all the companies are actually considered for the job—is unreasonable.
Writing and submitting quotes is part of the companies’ scope of work, just like their actual work. No one can tell me that isn’t factored into their calculations.
The real problem is that these companies are overwhelmed with work and often refuse to provide a quote at all. Unfortunately, the situation has changed.
In the past, the one who paid got the job (to put it bluntly). Today, as a client, you often feel like a supplicant dependent on the goodwill of the tradespeople and have to be grateful if one of them even takes time to provide a quote.
Of course, quality work should be paid accordingly, but for larger projects, I would never consider limiting myself to only one or two offers on my own initiative.
A friend of mine recently talked with a builder. His comment was: “It’s crazy right now—you raise your prices but still get so many jobs that you don’t even know where to put all the money.”
That may not be true for every company, but it certainly says a lot about the current state of the construction industry…
Writing and submitting quotes is part of the companies’ scope of work, just like their actual work. No one can tell me that isn’t factored into their calculations.
The real problem is that these companies are overwhelmed with work and often refuse to provide a quote at all. Unfortunately, the situation has changed.
In the past, the one who paid got the job (to put it bluntly). Today, as a client, you often feel like a supplicant dependent on the goodwill of the tradespeople and have to be grateful if one of them even takes time to provide a quote.
Of course, quality work should be paid accordingly, but for larger projects, I would never consider limiting myself to only one or two offers on my own initiative.
A friend of mine recently talked with a builder. His comment was: “It’s crazy right now—you raise your prices but still get so many jobs that you don’t even know where to put all the money.”
That may not be true for every company, but it certainly says a lot about the current state of the construction industry…