ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters

Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,

We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.

The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.

The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.

The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.

We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.

We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...

Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.

Best regards!
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 16:59
Zaba, my point about the "realistic planning" was not the excavation, but the overall calculation, which seems to be completely off.
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 17:02
But even for the excavation, 34 cubic meters (44.5 cubic yards) of container space might have been justified, but not for 100 cubic meters (131 cubic yards). So who messed up now? Over 15,000 euros in disposal costs for excavation seems to be excessive.
The offer didn’t mention containers either, see image.

Text eines Bauplans zum Bodenaushub für Bodenplatte und Entsorgungskosten.
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Zaba12
28 Jan 2019 17:03
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Zaba, my point with the "realistic planning" wasn’t about the earthworks, but the overall calculation, which seems completely off.

Yes, but that was useless anyway, as we’ve already established.

No one will be held responsible for the extra costs caused by poor planning. It’s also pointless now to go through the chain of mistakes and find someone to blame.

What has happened since Saturday/Friday after we all had this heated discussion here?
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 17:06
We have tried to reach the senior manager several times a day (Friday and today) – with no success. We have sent various emails and today received a response from the junior architect, stating that he informed the structural contractor not to dispose of any more excavated material (the architect had told the structural contractor last week to already level the future terrace). He has contacted additional companies for heating/plumbing and asked others about discounts and early payment rebates.
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Zaba12
28 Jan 2019 17:07
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
But even for the excavation, a 34 cubic meter (44.5 cubic yards) container might have been justified, but not for 100 cubic meters (131 cubic yards). So who messed this up? Over 15,000 euros in disposal costs for excavation seems like highway robbery. The offer didn’t mention containers either, see picture.

The container isn’t cost-effective in any option.

Uh, sorry, but €150 per cubic meter (0.76 cubic yards) with a container versus €18 per cubic meter (0.76 cubic yards) for truck transport.

At your price, I could have disposed of almost 900 cubic meters (1,176 cubic yards).
And yes, with such a price difference, it should have been your responsibility to point out that you didn’t want that.
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Zaba12
28 Jan 2019 17:08
Discounts? Sounds like the architect is desperate. There are no additional discounts. If you’re lucky, you might get 2–3% cash discount at best.