ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters

Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,

We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.

The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.

The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.

The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.

We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.

We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...

Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.

Best regards!
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 20:42
Domski schrieb:
I have one more idea, maybe someone can correct me: Was the structural contractor hired according to VOB (German construction contract procedures)? Was his offer based on the quantities specified in the tender? Are the actual quantities settled at the agreed unit price?

The tender document states: "1. The VOB in its version valid at the time of bid submission applies."

Furthermore, it says: "2. The bidder is required to familiarize themselves with the site conditions and the project planning. Documents regarding this can be viewed after arrangement with the client or planner. Claims due to lack of knowledge of the site or planning are excluded."

The architect informed us that the structural contractor was also on site before the contract signing.

Additionally, the tender document states:
Excavation for foundation slab
Careful detachment according to profile, including
rough grading.

Take over excavation as the contractor’s property and
remove from the construction site, including rough grading.
Disposal to an authorized landfill or waste facility.
Proof of proper disposal must be provided.
Landfill or disposal costs must be included.

Excavation from ground surface,
excavation depth up to 0.80 m (31 inches).
Soil classes 4 and 5.

34 m³ (cubic meters) Unit price .............. Total price ..............

The structural contractor entered 150,- under unit price and 5100,- under total price.
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Domski
28 Jan 2019 20:51
Try my approach. 150e means transporting the excavation using pack animals. His architect should have known that. Ask him what reasons justify this expensive disposal.
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 20:55
I already sent this by email on Friday and again today after his reply, since he didn’t respond to it. His reply:

“Hello Ms. x,
Hello Mr. x,

I have taken note of your dissatisfaction. I will inform Mr. Rohbauer that he should temporarily stop any further earthworks and notify us early on about any change orders or significantly different quantities. Furthermore, I will address Mr. Rohbauer’s price for item 02.0.002 ‘Excavation for foundation slab,’ since the volume has increased considerably, a discount on this item might be possible.

The senior architect and I are currently working on an updated cost estimate. We are also reviewing the bids. So far, we have noticed that the quantity of lighting fixtures (33 units) for the electrical installation should be checked. We would also like to review or remove item 3.013 smoke detectors. In the plumbing and heating offer, we would remove the ‘dismantling work’ title (€2,108 net), as no dismantling work is currently required. Additionally, we would remove items 04.007, 04.008, 04.010, and 04.011, as these tasks will be carried out by the screed installer (€4,410 net).”

-> Dissatisfaction is well noted… but nothing changes… And we have already pointed out the issue with the spotlights several times. But anyway, different topic.

What is the best way for me to proceed? Should I ask again for a justification? Their explanation will probably be that they don’t know what common prices are or that they didn’t pay attention, or something like that. But of course, they can’t write that down.
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MayrCh
28 Jan 2019 20:56
Dr Hix schrieb:
Obviously, the cost estimate is only available at the awarding stage (work phase 7)

My mistake. I actually meant cost calculation.
Dr Hix schrieb:
But whether the architect’s estimate is actually more detailed than the rough calculation, I doubt.

At least they have to get into the second level of the cost breakdown and determine quantities as well as prices. These can then be easily checked even by "non-experts."
Dr Hix schrieb:
In the end, it costs what it costs.

That is certainly true. The clarity just comes earlier. Continuing as before will definitely lead to failure.
Dr Hix schrieb:
but in your case the train has left the station

For the contracts already awarded. If you want to make the turnaround: better now than never.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
questions?

Temporarily remove that word from your vocabulary. You are no longer asking but demanding and insisting.
Dr Hix28 Jan 2019 20:57
Have you checked the quantities for plausibility? If I remember correctly, the two-story extension has an area of 68m² (732 sq ft). With an excavation depth of 80cm (31.5 inches), 34m³ (1,200 ft³) would correspond to a base area of 42.5m² (457 sq ft).

Even if I assume the base area of the extension is exactly 42.5m² (457 sq ft) and someone didn’t account for the fact that the excavation is usually a bit larger all around and is additionally dug 20cm (7.9 inches) deeper, the total volume might reach around 65m³ (2,295 ft³), but certainly not 96m³ (3,390 ft³).

Or does this already include additional excavation, such as for garage foundations or similar?
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 21:04
"Continuing as before" will definitely lead to a disaster." I agree with that!

So far, no trades have been contracted, only the shell construction. Thank goodness...

Excavation may have already been done in the driveway area; at least another item indicates "lime sandstone gravel spread in the driveway area." As far as I can tell, nothing has yet been excavated in the garage area. The level was at the height of the neighboring property before construction started and remains the same now. According to this confusing overview, the garage area has already been excavated.