ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters
Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Is there a catalog for such questions? Honestly, as a layperson, I’m asking if everything is going smoothly and if anything unexpected is happening. I also asked if the old building seems damp. But other than that? No, there isn’t. But that’s exactly the point: during the eight months of the building permit/planning permission phase, you should have familiarized yourselves with the housebuilding process. Then you could have asked open questions instead of closed ones.
But now that’s enough. I’m going in circles. You won’t find anyone to blame because the architect isn’t the only problem. I would even say you share a larger part of the responsibility for the current situation.
In another thread, there’s a discussion about building from a distance of 300km (190 miles). That’s also an interesting aspect.
Make the best of the situation now, and from now on, do your homework and catch up on all the missing knowledge.
I have nothing more to add. Good luck.
R
Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 12:58I don’t agree with everything, but thank you very much overall! One last question: Do you have any literature recommendations? I already have “Haus Erneuerung” by Haefele et al., but I didn’t find this kind of information there.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
I don’t agree with everything, but thanks overall! One last question: Do you have any literature recommendations?
I already have "House Renovation" by Haefele et al., but I didn’t find this kind of information there. You do realize that the practical experience caused these problems for you, not some abstract theory, right?!?
This has nothing to do with literature.
Read hundreds of up-to-date construction blogs from start to finish and pick out the information that is relevant for you!
It’s already strange that you’re asking this question now.
R
Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 13:02Ok, but that’s exactly what I have been doing since the beginning of last year. However, I couldn’t find such *specific* information there.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Ok, but I have been doing exactly that since the beginning of last year. However, I couldn’t find such *specific* information there. There must have been at least one construction blog that didn’t mention the access road and crane area. Or you must have read that no one removes their excavation by container and that there are issues with the architect due to a lack of communication.
You’re not an isolated case.
I can’t add more than that. So, good luck.
R
Ruhrgebiet2329 Jan 2019 16:32Result of the conversation with the structural builder just now:
- He cannot provide information on how the quantities were determined – he simply worked from start to finish.
- He does not keep records of how many containers are used. He just has them removed and that’s it.
- At some point, he informed the architect that the offered quantity is not sufficient. He does not want to speak negatively about anyone, but passing on information is the responsibility of the site manager.
- He can’t do much about the prices. The 150 euros per cubic meter (about $160 per cubic yard) includes excavators and labor costs. He does not have much profit margin there.
- He cannot provide information on how the quantities were determined – he simply worked from start to finish.
- He does not keep records of how many containers are used. He just has them removed and that’s it.
- At some point, he informed the architect that the offered quantity is not sufficient. He does not want to speak negatively about anyone, but passing on information is the responsibility of the site manager.
- He can’t do much about the prices. The 150 euros per cubic meter (about $160 per cubic yard) includes excavators and labor costs. He does not have much profit margin there.
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