ᐅ What type of burglary protection do you have? And what is the estimated cost?
Created on: 30 Oct 2016 13:14
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This topic might not be exactly right here since we are not building new but buying, but it also relates to planning and idea development.
We are buying a house from 1995. The front door has a multi-point lock, and the basement has a fireproof security door, which probably can’t be opened quickly when locked. That’s all.
Due to a personal incident related to burglary, I am currently somewhat more sensitive to this issue. I am often alone with the children, and the house is in a remote location, with open fields behind us. Although the area is mostly rural and, according to the owner, there have been no incidents in the village so far, I don’t want to rely on that. In short: we want to allocate part of our budget to security investments.
We will schedule an appointment with the local police to get advice.
Regarding the front door: a multi-point lock sounds good – is that enough initially?
Next to the front door there is a glass panel, double-glazed, without a window handle. This could probably be broken quickly, but because of the muntins, it is probably not possible to enter the house quickly this way. We are considering installing a glass break film on the inside. Possibly combined with an acoustic alarm if someone tries to strike the glass?
The main issue is definitely the numerous windows, especially at the back of the house. None of these are visible from the street. As mentioned, the windows are double-glazed from 1995. There are no mushroom head locks installed. We couldn’t find a clear cost estimate for retrofitting such mushroom head locks. Can you share any insights? Possibly that alone would be so expensive that it might be more worthwhile to replace the windows? However, I think that would likely exceed our budget given the number of windows…
While researching mushroom locks, we came across these EM3 locks, which cost about 60 euros each. Do you have any experience with these, and can they be a practical alternative to mushroom head locks?
Regarding alarm systems, there are all kinds available. Mechanical security should probably take priority over acoustic alarms, right? Personally, although my husband sees it differently, I don’t really believe these alarm systems are that effective. Anyone planning a professional break-in, possibly after some reconnaissance, will know in such a rural location that the police won’t arrive in two minutes and neighbors probably won’t be outside immediately either. And what good would it do us if the alarm goes off while we’re sleeping? Acoustic alarms certainly aren’t bad, but depending on the price, I question whether the cost-benefit ratio is reasonable. Probably it would need to be that various alarms are also visible in a way that hopefully has a deterrent effect? Motion detectors, cameras, or even a connection to a security service?
How have you approached this topic?
We are buying a house from 1995. The front door has a multi-point lock, and the basement has a fireproof security door, which probably can’t be opened quickly when locked. That’s all.
Due to a personal incident related to burglary, I am currently somewhat more sensitive to this issue. I am often alone with the children, and the house is in a remote location, with open fields behind us. Although the area is mostly rural and, according to the owner, there have been no incidents in the village so far, I don’t want to rely on that. In short: we want to allocate part of our budget to security investments.
We will schedule an appointment with the local police to get advice.
Regarding the front door: a multi-point lock sounds good – is that enough initially?
Next to the front door there is a glass panel, double-glazed, without a window handle. This could probably be broken quickly, but because of the muntins, it is probably not possible to enter the house quickly this way. We are considering installing a glass break film on the inside. Possibly combined with an acoustic alarm if someone tries to strike the glass?
The main issue is definitely the numerous windows, especially at the back of the house. None of these are visible from the street. As mentioned, the windows are double-glazed from 1995. There are no mushroom head locks installed. We couldn’t find a clear cost estimate for retrofitting such mushroom head locks. Can you share any insights? Possibly that alone would be so expensive that it might be more worthwhile to replace the windows? However, I think that would likely exceed our budget given the number of windows…
While researching mushroom locks, we came across these EM3 locks, which cost about 60 euros each. Do you have any experience with these, and can they be a practical alternative to mushroom head locks?
Regarding alarm systems, there are all kinds available. Mechanical security should probably take priority over acoustic alarms, right? Personally, although my husband sees it differently, I don’t really believe these alarm systems are that effective. Anyone planning a professional break-in, possibly after some reconnaissance, will know in such a rural location that the police won’t arrive in two minutes and neighbors probably won’t be outside immediately either. And what good would it do us if the alarm goes off while we’re sleeping? Acoustic alarms certainly aren’t bad, but depending on the price, I question whether the cost-benefit ratio is reasonable. Probably it would need to be that various alarms are also visible in a way that hopefully has a deterrent effect? Motion detectors, cameras, or even a connection to a security service?
How have you approached this topic?
"f-pNo schrieb:
@Steven[/USER]
Regarding the 20%:
@Painkiller also mentioned clarification, not conviction.
Apart from the fact that a caught burglar can likely be linked to several burglaries (I consider our police capable enough—fingerprints, images, possibly modus operandi, etc.). Thus, the statistics are not necessarily "refined" but correctly represented.Hello f-pNoI don’t see it that way. What does solving burglaries have to do with including the case in the statistics as soon as there is a suspect? Wouldn’t it be more accurate if the statistics were updated only once the suspect is actually convicted of the crime? And further cases should be assigned accordingly as well.
How was it again: Don’t trust any statistics you haven’t falsified yourself.
Steven
Steven schrieb:
I don’t see it that way. What does it have to do with solving burglaries if a case is counted in the statistics as soon as there is a suspect? Wouldn’t it be more accurate if the statistics only include cases once the suspect has been proven guilty?
And the other attributions should be handled the same way. I think we might be misunderstanding some terminology:
I was under the impression that a case is considered closed and included in the statistics only when the suspect is proven to have committed the crime. Of course, the judge might have a different view of the evidence. (A court verdict can sometimes take 1-2 years due to how backlogged our courts are.)
You seem to believe that a case appears in the statistics as soon as a suspect is identified (even if the suspect cannot be proven guilty). <-- which seems somewhat illogical to me.
I feel similarly about the additional assigned crimes. In my opinion, they are closed only when the crime can be attributed to the arrested perpetrator in another case beyond reasonable doubt.
That said, I’m not the one compiling the statistics, so I can’t judge under what criteria cases are considered closed.
But: we’re getting off-topic here.
Yes, you are really drifting a bit off topic.
An appointment with the criminal investigation department is definitely necessary. However, we will probably only be able to do that in the summer and will need to discuss it with the property owner beforehand.
Can anyone here provide a rough cost estimate per window for upgrading with mushroom head locks?
An appointment with the criminal investigation department is definitely necessary. However, we will probably only be able to do that in the summer and will need to discuss it with the property owner beforehand.
Can anyone here provide a rough cost estimate per window for upgrading with mushroom head locks?
RobsonMKK schrieb:
A quick Google search shows retrofit material costs ranging from 200 to about 300 euros per window, plus installation.May I ask what you searched for on Google? Apparently, we need to improve our Google search techniques.
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