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membersound20 Sep 2015 19:30Hello everyone,
we want to combine two small bathrooms by knocking through the wall, as they are directly adjacent. This raises the following questions:
- Is it still common today to tile bathrooms completely up to the ceiling? In TV shows like "Zuhause im Glück," I have often noticed that tiles are now mainly used only in the shower area, in front of the sinks, and on the floor, while the rest of the walls are often plastered or wallpapered. Do you know which materials are suitable for this?
- Currently, the ceiling has old wooden panels that we would also like to remove. Since the walls on the first floor are a bit lower, we want to install suspended ceilings, typically made of drywall boards, for example. But are these suitable for a bathroom?
- The bathroom has no exterior window and is ventilated via an exhaust fan. At the moment, both small bathrooms have their own exhaust. After removing the wall, does it make sense to continue using only one? Or should they possibly be connected?
- What kind of costs should be expected here (wall removal, basic gutting, relocating any connections, retiling, and installing fixtures)? Is a budget of 6,000 to 7,000 EUR roughly sufficient for a 5m² (54 ft²) room?
Thanks for your opinions.
we want to combine two small bathrooms by knocking through the wall, as they are directly adjacent. This raises the following questions:
- Is it still common today to tile bathrooms completely up to the ceiling? In TV shows like "Zuhause im Glück," I have often noticed that tiles are now mainly used only in the shower area, in front of the sinks, and on the floor, while the rest of the walls are often plastered or wallpapered. Do you know which materials are suitable for this?
- Currently, the ceiling has old wooden panels that we would also like to remove. Since the walls on the first floor are a bit lower, we want to install suspended ceilings, typically made of drywall boards, for example. But are these suitable for a bathroom?
- The bathroom has no exterior window and is ventilated via an exhaust fan. At the moment, both small bathrooms have their own exhaust. After removing the wall, does it make sense to continue using only one? Or should they possibly be connected?
- What kind of costs should be expected here (wall removal, basic gutting, relocating any connections, retiling, and installing fixtures)? Is a budget of 6,000 to 7,000 EUR roughly sufficient for a 5m² (54 ft²) room?
Thanks for your opinions.
Usually, tiling is no longer done up to the ceiling. In the walk-in shower at floor level, I have tiles up to about 220 cm (86.6 inches) high, while on the side with the toilet and washbasin, tiling goes only up to about 130 cm (51 inches) (bottom edge of the mirror). The rest of the walls are left un-tiled.
I suspend the ceiling using gypsum fiber boards, but green drywall (gypsum plasterboard) is also suitable.
I gutted the space myself and will have everything redone. For the bathroom (8 m² (86 sq ft) floor area), the quoted costs are approximately:
Tiling work including materials: around 5200 EUR
Bathroom furniture (cabinet, vanity unit, mirror cabinet) including washbasin, faucet, and accessories: around 4000 EUR
Walk-in shower including fittings, rain showerhead and hand shower, drain, glass partition 150 x 210 cm (59 x 83 inches): around 2500 EUR
Toilet system (rimless toilet, concealed cistern, flush plate, soft-close seat including toilet brush and toilet paper holder): 975 EUR
Bathroom radiator: 750 EUR
Additionally, the labor hours for installing new pipes etc. come to about 5500 EUR, but this also includes installations for the guest toilet, so the cost for the main bathroom alone is less. Ceiling and electrical work are done by myself.
I’m afraid you will have to reconsider your budget unless you do a lot of the work yourself. For your bathroom, I would estimate at least 12,000 EUR, especially as gutting and removing the wall are added costs. Of course, this also depends on the level of fittings. My tiles cost about 40 EUR/m² (3.7 USD/sq ft), and the fixtures were selected from a specialist wholesale supplier. You can probably find somewhat cheaper options at a hardware store.
I suspend the ceiling using gypsum fiber boards, but green drywall (gypsum plasterboard) is also suitable.
I gutted the space myself and will have everything redone. For the bathroom (8 m² (86 sq ft) floor area), the quoted costs are approximately:
Tiling work including materials: around 5200 EUR
Bathroom furniture (cabinet, vanity unit, mirror cabinet) including washbasin, faucet, and accessories: around 4000 EUR
Walk-in shower including fittings, rain showerhead and hand shower, drain, glass partition 150 x 210 cm (59 x 83 inches): around 2500 EUR
Toilet system (rimless toilet, concealed cistern, flush plate, soft-close seat including toilet brush and toilet paper holder): 975 EUR
Bathroom radiator: 750 EUR
Additionally, the labor hours for installing new pipes etc. come to about 5500 EUR, but this also includes installations for the guest toilet, so the cost for the main bathroom alone is less. Ceiling and electrical work are done by myself.
I’m afraid you will have to reconsider your budget unless you do a lot of the work yourself. For your bathroom, I would estimate at least 12,000 EUR, especially as gutting and removing the wall are added costs. Of course, this also depends on the level of fittings. My tiles cost about 40 EUR/m² (3.7 USD/sq ft), and the fixtures were selected from a specialist wholesale supplier. You can probably find somewhat cheaper options at a hardware store.
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membersound21 Sep 2015 08:29Thank you for your detailed calculation.
Including furnishings, we have roughly budgeted 10,000 euros. For tile prices, however, we expect 15 to 20 euros per square meter (m²) at the hardware store / home improvement center. There are really nice options available nowadays.
Including furnishings, we have roughly budgeted 10,000 euros. For tile prices, however, we expect 15 to 20 euros per square meter (m²) at the hardware store / home improvement center. There are really nice options available nowadays.
I find your tiler quite expensive. We had two bathrooms (5 sqm (54 sqft) and 12 sqm (129 sqft)), one hallway (12 sqm (129 sqft)), and a kitchen (20 sqm (215 sqft)) tiled. In the bathrooms, we had the tiles installed up to 1.5 m (5 feet) high and in the shower area up to 2.2 m (7 feet 3 inches) high.
We received quotes ranging from €5500 to €8500, including materials but excluding tiles. We also spent nearly €3000 on tiles and stainless steel trims. In the end, we went with the €5500 quote because that tiler had already worked for two acquaintances and we were very satisfied with their results.
What is really expensive, however, are the sanitary fixtures. These can usually be ordered and purchased quite easily at a home improvement store. We bought some of ours from the plumber including installation, but we got the faucets ourselves because the home improvement store prices were significantly cheaper for exactly the same products.
You can manage with around €7000, but it’s also easy to spend much more even on a small bathroom. It depends on how much work you want to do yourself. Another big downside with a small bathroom is that many companies tend to add large surcharges due to the small quantity of work.
We received quotes ranging from €5500 to €8500, including materials but excluding tiles. We also spent nearly €3000 on tiles and stainless steel trims. In the end, we went with the €5500 quote because that tiler had already worked for two acquaintances and we were very satisfied with their results.
What is really expensive, however, are the sanitary fixtures. These can usually be ordered and purchased quite easily at a home improvement store. We bought some of ours from the plumber including installation, but we got the faucets ourselves because the home improvement store prices were significantly cheaper for exactly the same products.
You can manage with around €7000, but it’s also easy to spend much more even on a small bathroom. It depends on how much work you want to do yourself. Another big downside with a small bathroom is that many companies tend to add large surcharges due to the small quantity of work.
Koempy schrieb:
But I find your tiler very expensive. For me, the tiles (just over 20 sq meters (215 sq ft)) plus borders (7.5 meters (25 feet)) and all materials for trims, waterproofing, and plastered surfaces (25 sq meters (269 sq ft)) are included in the price. In addition, the heated screed will be completely redone because it didn’t cover the entire bathroom before, which is also included. Then a built-in bench will be constructed in the shower (for aging in place), as well as a small partition wall with shelving. That certainly offsets the price somewhat. The hourly rate for additional work is quoted at 43.95 plus VAT, which doesn’t sound unreasonable.
I will review the offer again. Thanks for the advice.
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Bieber081521 Sep 2015 20:23membersound schrieb:
Is it still common today to tile bathrooms completely up to the ceiling?No, see https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Badezimmer-Deckenhoch-fliesen.13481/#post-101836. Of course, it can be done differently, but the common approach nowadays is to tile only where necessary and ideally leave the rest as smooth plaster, paint-friendly wallpaper, and paint. Other options are of course possible as well (white textured wallpaper).membersound schrieb:
(Gypsum plasterboard) But are these suitable for a bathroom?Yes, the green moisture-resistant type.membersound schrieb:
(Exhaust air) After creating a breakthrough, does it make sense to run only one fan?The critical factor is the air exchange rate. One fan should be sufficient, but it might need to move a higher volume of air.membersound schrieb:
What costs should one roughly expect here?From my experience, a bathroom done by a professional using materials from specialized suppliers costs about 1.5 to 2 times more than your initial generous estimate. If you thought the kitchen was expensive, prepare to be surprised by bathroom costs.If you do a lot yourself, you can order professional-grade products at sometimes favorable prices with free shipping from online specialist suppliers (just google "Badausstatter" for an example of the first result).
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