ᐅ Single-family home, approximately 160 m², Bauhaus style; first design draft based on our requirements
Created on: 23 Aug 2019 22:03
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Notstrom
Hello everyone,
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
Notstrom schrieb:
Thimble? Can I find that anywhere? Design -> Ligno by Fingerhut-Haus. However, I made some adjustments to better suit your needs.
Notstrom schrieb:
This actually leads us to thank the architect for his efforts and then say goodbye to him. Why not continue with the original one? You develop a design together. Could it be that he has also planned for your communication? Just because you evolve doesn’t mean the architect becomes any worse.
ypg schrieb:
Why not continue with the old one? You develop a design together. Could it be that he also incorporated your communication? Just because you evolve doesn’t mean the architect becomes worse.That’s true. But especially in this context, we see many “major” mistakes or illogical solutions he came up with. And you’re also right to some extent; it almost feels like paint-by-numbers based on input from people here, and on the ground floor about 85% is from the Rensch house... it feels like paint-by-numbers where we provide the design and he just applies the final touches.
It feels a bit like holding on to an old relationship. Holding on out of habit and because a lot has been invested isn’t very reasonable. Unfortunately, you only realize this too late when you catch yourself trying to hold on...
Notstrom schrieb:
Are there any ideas on where we can find good architects/planners who really "get" our wishes? I think this is what @11ant is aiming at as well. ypg schrieb:
Just because you are evolving doesn’t mean the architect is getting worse. This architect hardly has any potential to get any worse. And no, 11ant would be glad if the goal was to find someone who truly understands the client — but that would be a kind of advanced level here, and we are not even close to that yet. So I’ll say it for the third time in different words: when you walk through the door from the hallway into the dressing room, suddenly, unexpectedly and almost like an ambush, a bedroom appears from the right. That’s more likely to cause a heart attack than give you the feeling that a spatial designer arranged it masterfully. I’m already startled just looking at it. A planner who doesn’t notice that while drawing it themselves hasn’t yet gotten the point and certainly hasn’t studied architecture, but only civil engineering. On the other hand, what is urgently needed here is someone who can patiently and eloquently explain to the client that, whether referring to spatial experience or visual aesthetics, he would not be doing himself any favors by combining a hipped roof with a "city villa Bauhaus style.” Notstrom schrieb:
It really feels like paint-by-numbers based on the input from people here, or on the ground floor nearly 85% from the Rensch house… feels like paint-by-numbers where we provide the design and he just adds the color scheme. Was that a Freudian slip and you actually meant “professional” instead? It’s not necessarily a sign of low quality if a planner associates a client’s brought-in design with a known house model — as long as they emancipate the collaboratively developed design from that "Pinterest template."Notstrom schrieb:
Fingerhut? Where can I find that? In Neunkhausen, between Bad Marienberg and Betzdorf, in the Westerwald region. More precisely, between Weitefeld and Elkenroth.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
kaho674 schrieb:
I recently saw something similar from Fingerhut. Maybe there’s a detail in it that you might like.
Wow, I really like it.Maybe a small issue with the walk-in closets is that they can only be used from one side.
tomtom79 schrieb:
Wow, I like it.
Maybe just a small point about the walk-in closet: she can only use one side.The design is really nice! I especially like the bathrooms on the ground floor and the upper floor. The closed kitchen without doors is also a great feature.At least from what I can judge without measurements.
Building economically is a different matter, but that was never the goal anyway.
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