ᐅ Single-family home, approximately 160 m², Bauhaus style; first design draft based on our requirements
Created on: 23 Aug 2019 22:03
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Notstrom
Hello everyone,
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
If the floor plan allowed a direct view from the front door straight into the living room, I could understand having a vestibule, but as it is, there's hardly any chance of anyone, even the mail carrier, looking in. As a cold air buffer, it’s basically ineffective nowadays anyway, since front doors are well insulated.
On the upper floor, I would consider whether a separate parents’ area is really necessary for a 160m2 (1,722 sq ft) house, especially since the bathroom is designed as a family bathroom. A layout with the walk-in closet, bedroom, and bathroom all accessible directly from the hallway seems more practical. Personally, I’m not a fan of the corner wall between the children’s rooms; if the hallway were widened by about 30cm (12 inches), you might be able to do without it—but of course, that’s a matter of personal taste.
On the upper floor, I would consider whether a separate parents’ area is really necessary for a 160m2 (1,722 sq ft) house, especially since the bathroom is designed as a family bathroom. A layout with the walk-in closet, bedroom, and bathroom all accessible directly from the hallway seems more practical. Personally, I’m not a fan of the corner wall between the children’s rooms; if the hallway were widened by about 30cm (12 inches), you might be able to do without it—but of course, that’s a matter of personal taste.
Matthew03 schrieb:
But as soon as more than one person arrives home at the same time, you’ll curse if you’ve built it like that. A narrow vestibule acts like a person flow control system.
RomeoZwo schrieb:
Nowadays, it no longer really works as a cold air buffer, Still, it does block the wind, and it’s not called a "mail carrier privacy screen" for nothing. By the time of the lingerie party hour, the postman is already long gone here, even on days with car magazines and telecom bills.
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Notstrom schrieb:
The obvious hint to replace the planner seems to me a bit too drastic of a step and personally wouldn’t suit me, especially given that this office only has one other planner left. I find ketchup and mayo fine until it qualifies for a Michelin star. Hello Notstrom,
The lower floor plan, based on the Rensch house (which I really like in terms of the layout on the ground floor), is definitely much better. However, I can understand why people here think the entrance area and especially the upper floor are not optimal. Since you’ve already gone through several rounds and the planner basically just had to touch up what was given as a template, maybe changing the planning office could still be an option. With so much money involved, it should definitely turn out as well as possible.
Perhaps the upper floor could be designed smaller? A balcony could be created above the living room, and it may not necessarily need a room above the terrace either. However, the staircase might need to be moved again then.
I’m definitely keeping my fingers crossed that you make significant progress soon.
Best regards
Notstrom schrieb:
Just to clarify: Why is that impractical? Am I correct in understanding from 11ant that, in his/her opinion, the passage to the bedroom is simply too narrow? Notstrom schrieb:
Good point, so I will either make the bathroom bigger or renovate it. Notstrom schrieb:
What do you mean by that? Why is it unusable with that size and door opening? We especially want a vestibule because:
- to take off shoes, keep dirt “outside,” maintain privacy (postman, etc.) There is no absolute right or only or.
We, the users, are pointing out where there may be issues. Your task is to understand these and then possibly improve or approach them differently. Some criticisms, however, are somewhat exaggerated or far-fetched.
If doors are in the way, you should mentally walk the path from the entrance to the stairs. This will help you realize that an open door can be obstructive.
Most users here are experienced home builders themselves and have developed the ability to think in 3D rather than just 2D.
Thank you very much for all the feedback we have received so far.
It actually now motivates us to thank the architect for his efforts and then say goodbye to him.
Of course, this means the whole project has been delayed by at least two more months, but what are two months in a project like this anyway?
Yes, you’re right. In the current layout, the wall by the stairs would actually block the view, so the doors would be unnecessary.
What do you mean by a “separate parents’ area”? The private access from the bedroom? You’re right, we actually don’t need that.
We will definitely look into that now. By the way, does anyone have ideas on where to find good architects or planners who truly understand our wishes? I think that’s also what @11ant is aiming at.
Fingerhut-Haus? Can I find that somewhere?
It actually now motivates us to thank the architect for his efforts and then say goodbye to him.
Of course, this means the whole project has been delayed by at least two more months, but what are two months in a project like this anyway?
RomeoZwo schrieb:
If the floor plan allowed a direct view from the front door straight into the living room, I could still understand the entrance lobby, but as it is, there really are hardly any "lines of sight" for the mail carrier. As a cold buffer zone, it doesn’t have much effect today anyway, since front doors are tight enough.
Yes, you’re right. In the current layout, the wall by the stairs would actually block the view, so the doors would be unnecessary.
RomeoZwo schrieb:
Regarding the upper floor, I would consider whether a separate parents’ area is really needed in a 160 m² (1,722 sq ft) house, especially since the bathroom is a family bathroom anyway. A layout with a dressing room, bedroom, and bathroom all directly accessible from the hallway seems almost obvious. I also don’t like the kink in the wall between the kids’ rooms; if the hallway were extended by another 30 cm (12 inches), maybe you could avoid it — but that’s a matter of personal taste.
What do you mean by a “separate parents’ area”? The private access from the bedroom? You’re right, we actually don’t need that.
Ysop*** schrieb:
Since you’ve already gone through several rounds and the planner basically only adjusted what was provided as a template, maybe changing the design office is an option. For the amount of money you’re investing, it should be as good as possible.
We will definitely look into that now. By the way, does anyone have ideas on where to find good architects or planners who truly understand our wishes? I think that’s also what @11ant is aiming at.
kaho674 schrieb:
I recently saw something similar from Fingerhut-Haus. Maybe there’s a detail there that you will like.
Fingerhut-Haus? Can I find that somewhere?
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