Hello everyone,
unfortunately, the search didn’t yield much.
We have a house from the Deutsche Fertighaus Holding Group and received our second finishing package yesterday. Included was the "Moderna Smartfloor 3mm (0.1 inch)" impact sound insulation for laminate flooring.
I think it feels quite "cheap," but I don’t have much expertise. As an alternative, I would consider the Selit 2.2 mm (0.09 inch). Both have the same thermal resistance but differ in thickness.
Can you tell me something about the quality of the Moderna impact sound insulation? Could it even be better than the Selit? There’s no need to spend more money unnecessarily if the supplied impact sound insulation is actually better.
Thanks in advance.
unfortunately, the search didn’t yield much.
We have a house from the Deutsche Fertighaus Holding Group and received our second finishing package yesterday. Included was the "Moderna Smartfloor 3mm (0.1 inch)" impact sound insulation for laminate flooring.
I think it feels quite "cheap," but I don’t have much expertise. As an alternative, I would consider the Selit 2.2 mm (0.09 inch). Both have the same thermal resistance but differ in thickness.
Can you tell me something about the quality of the Moderna impact sound insulation? Could it even be better than the Selit? There’s no need to spend more money unnecessarily if the supplied impact sound insulation is actually better.
Thanks in advance.
Hi,
There probably is; they also offer different products. But will it really make a big difference? How many square meters do you need? 100 m² (1,076 sq ft)? Does it really matter whether you spend 100 € or 500 €? You'll have that laminate floor for the next 10 to 20 years!
Best regards,
Andreas
Chriscross schrieb:
Is there a cheaper alternative to Haro Silent Pro
There probably is; they also offer different products. But will it really make a big difference? How many square meters do you need? 100 m² (1,076 sq ft)? Does it really matter whether you spend 100 € or 500 €? You'll have that laminate floor for the next 10 to 20 years!
Best regards,
Andreas
Chriscross13 Jun 2017 15:14So we have about 70 m² (750 sq ft) of laminate flooring. At 6 euros per m² (approximately 0.56 USD per sq ft), that would be 420 euros. Unfortunately, we can’t afford that right now.
At 3 euros per m² (approximately 0.28 USD per sq ft), I might consider it. That’s why I’m grateful for any help here.
If worse comes to worst, I’ll have to use the supplied flooring.
At 3 euros per m² (approximately 0.28 USD per sq ft), I might consider it. That’s why I’m grateful for any help here.
If worse comes to worst, I’ll have to use the supplied flooring.
“Wash my fur, but don’t get me wet!”
That’s one way to look at it.
Hello "Chriscross".
>“As cheap as possible”< is always in conflict with the comprehensive material properties a building material can offer, which the heart desires.
Laminate flooring is particularly prone to “drum effects,” a term from the 1990s, due to its thin material thickness. The only solution is mass and a tight coupling.
Many years ago, I introduced a system designed to install laminate floor panels over an 8mm (0.3 inch) thick rubber granulate mat using a dry adhesive.
This worked well; it shifted the strong “clicking effect” when walking almost entirely to lower frequencies, which are less disturbing.
The only drawback was the higher cost. Consumers don’t want that!
However, without investing more money, you cannot acoustically improve an inexpensive flooring system. The membranes, whether 2mm (0.08 inch) thick or thicker, only act as “crunch protection.”
If sand grains lie on the screed surface during installation, well, then it simply doesn’t crunch as much when walking on it.
But that has nothing to do with impact sound insulation! This is installed under every screed in residential buildings and is at least 25mm (1 inch) thick.
In conclusion: The advertising for such underlayment systems relies heavily on buzzwords around impact sound reduction to still sell a floor system that is inherently prone to resonance.
The best sound insulation for floor panels is full-surface gluing. Not every manufacturer approves their systems for this, but based on long experience with flooring, I can say that with proper installation, it will work well!
Condition: The property must be owned by the occupant, or there must be written permission from the owner to allow gluing.
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Regards, KlaRa
That’s one way to look at it.
Hello "Chriscross".
>“As cheap as possible”< is always in conflict with the comprehensive material properties a building material can offer, which the heart desires.
Laminate flooring is particularly prone to “drum effects,” a term from the 1990s, due to its thin material thickness. The only solution is mass and a tight coupling.
Many years ago, I introduced a system designed to install laminate floor panels over an 8mm (0.3 inch) thick rubber granulate mat using a dry adhesive.
This worked well; it shifted the strong “clicking effect” when walking almost entirely to lower frequencies, which are less disturbing.
The only drawback was the higher cost. Consumers don’t want that!
However, without investing more money, you cannot acoustically improve an inexpensive flooring system. The membranes, whether 2mm (0.08 inch) thick or thicker, only act as “crunch protection.”
If sand grains lie on the screed surface during installation, well, then it simply doesn’t crunch as much when walking on it.
But that has nothing to do with impact sound insulation! This is installed under every screed in residential buildings and is at least 25mm (1 inch) thick.
In conclusion: The advertising for such underlayment systems relies heavily on buzzwords around impact sound reduction to still sell a floor system that is inherently prone to resonance.
The best sound insulation for floor panels is full-surface gluing. Not every manufacturer approves their systems for this, but based on long experience with flooring, I can say that with proper installation, it will work well!
Condition: The property must be owned by the occupant, or there must be written permission from the owner to allow gluing.
--------------------------------------------
Regards, KlaRa
Chriscross22 Jun 2017 13:12Hello,
your first statement is correct. However, I am a fan of "not paying too much money for rubbish." In the end, we have now chosen the Wineo Sound Protect ECO Profi. 3mm (0.12 inch) for 7.50 euros MSRP from the manufacturer. Of course, I paid less. But I think this offers a good compromise between price and performance.
your first statement is correct. However, I am a fan of "not paying too much money for rubbish." In the end, we have now chosen the Wineo Sound Protect ECO Profi. 3mm (0.12 inch) for 7.50 euros MSRP from the manufacturer. Of course, I paid less. But I think this offers a good compromise between price and performance.
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