BOB der 1.1 Jan 2015 15:25Hello,
We are currently undertaking a full renovation of our house. Since we are adding an additional floor, we also want to install a central vacuum system... but which one?
Here are the key details:
The ground floor is about 100m² (1076 sq ft), the new upper floor around 60m² (646 sq ft) (1st floor),
the longest distance on the ground floor is 11.20m (36.7 ft), and upstairs 7.10m (23.3 ft).
The central unit can be placed in the basement but it doesn’t have to be, as the garage is about 4m (13.1 ft) away from the house, so a pipe could also be routed into the basement.
My idea was to install 2 vacuum inlets on the ground floor plus a cleaning hatch at the base of the kitchen cabinets, on the 1st floor just one in the hallway, and possibly one in the garage as well for vacuuming the cars.
Of course, I’ve already read quite a bit here and found a lot on the internet, but every house and its occupants have their own specific needs. I will install the system myself as I do almost all other work on the house.
What I want to know is...
Which manufacturers are recommended?
How powerful (in air watts) should the vacuum be?
Do the pipes have to be from the system manufacturer, or would 50mm (2 inch) HT (drain) piping with double seals work as well?
etc.
The budget is around 5000€ (about 5000€), but there is some flexibility.
If you need more information like plans, I’m happy to share them.
Best regards, Markus
We are currently undertaking a full renovation of our house. Since we are adding an additional floor, we also want to install a central vacuum system... but which one?
Here are the key details:
The ground floor is about 100m² (1076 sq ft), the new upper floor around 60m² (646 sq ft) (1st floor),
the longest distance on the ground floor is 11.20m (36.7 ft), and upstairs 7.10m (23.3 ft).
The central unit can be placed in the basement but it doesn’t have to be, as the garage is about 4m (13.1 ft) away from the house, so a pipe could also be routed into the basement.
My idea was to install 2 vacuum inlets on the ground floor plus a cleaning hatch at the base of the kitchen cabinets, on the 1st floor just one in the hallway, and possibly one in the garage as well for vacuuming the cars.
Of course, I’ve already read quite a bit here and found a lot on the internet, but every house and its occupants have their own specific needs. I will install the system myself as I do almost all other work on the house.
What I want to know is...
Which manufacturers are recommended?
How powerful (in air watts) should the vacuum be?
Do the pipes have to be from the system manufacturer, or would 50mm (2 inch) HT (drain) piping with double seals work as well?
etc.
The budget is around 5000€ (about 5000€), but there is some flexibility.
If you need more information like plans, I’m happy to share them.
Best regards, Markus
J
JDoerbecker1 Jan 2015 18:58Hello Markus,
Suppliers often help with planning, so just try contacting one.
We purchased an Electrolux system from Fawas with the manufacturer’s pipes. They were very helpful during the planning stage. They also have good experience regarding performance.
You need to consider that the wall inlets must fit the vacuum pipes. These have to be compatible with the pipe system. That’s why using the manufacturer’s pipes is recommended.
If you install it yourself, you will probably spend around 1500€ (about 1600 USD), depending on the equipment and manufacturer.
I can’t make a recommendation yet, as the system is not in operation.
Good luck
Joachim
Suppliers often help with planning, so just try contacting one.
We purchased an Electrolux system from Fawas with the manufacturer’s pipes. They were very helpful during the planning stage. They also have good experience regarding performance.
You need to consider that the wall inlets must fit the vacuum pipes. These have to be compatible with the pipe system. That’s why using the manufacturer’s pipes is recommended.
If you install it yourself, you will probably spend around 1500€ (about 1600 USD), depending on the equipment and manufacturer.
I can’t make a recommendation yet, as the system is not in operation.
Good luck
Joachim
BOB der 1.1 Jan 2015 19:17Hey Joachim
The Fawas vacuum cleaners are said to be really good, and I will ask the manufacturer anyway. But, as is often the case... they want to sell.
I believe that the experience and tips from end users are invaluable. Which consultant really has experience with the products? Usually, it’s the wives who use them and the men who install them.
I just hope someone here can say... this much power is enough and that is unnecessary... as I said, the consultants just want to make the sale, no offense meant here.
Best regards, Markus
The Fawas vacuum cleaners are said to be really good, and I will ask the manufacturer anyway. But, as is often the case... they want to sell.
I believe that the experience and tips from end users are invaluable. Which consultant really has experience with the products? Usually, it’s the wives who use them and the men who install them.
I just hope someone here can say... this much power is enough and that is unnecessary... as I said, the consultants just want to make the sale, no offense meant here.
Best regards, Markus
BOB der 1.1 Jan 2015 19:36Oh, I forgot to add this....
1500€ (about $1650) is still "affordable," since I really have no idea how much a proper system costs, and especially what is a must-have versus what is just a nice-to-have. I simply assumed around 5000€ (about $5500). Since all family members have issues with house dust and we want to reduce the exposure a bit, we thought about a central vacuum system as a solution. Our architect showed us his once... it’s really a great thing—almost no noise, less dust, and above all no power cables coming out of the vacuum. These are all things that gave us the idea.
Exhausting the air outside is no problem since the house is detached; only one side would be less ideal but still doable.
There are just many open questions that come up gradually...
Exhaust silencer... suction hose length... one or two hoses... fabric coating on the hose... and so on.
What MUST be included is a control line, not wireless.
Since a control system with a BUS line might also be installed, I want to maintain a wired solution without wireless control stations... only Wi-Fi should be wireless, everything else wired.
M.
1500€ (about $1650) is still "affordable," since I really have no idea how much a proper system costs, and especially what is a must-have versus what is just a nice-to-have. I simply assumed around 5000€ (about $5500). Since all family members have issues with house dust and we want to reduce the exposure a bit, we thought about a central vacuum system as a solution. Our architect showed us his once... it’s really a great thing—almost no noise, less dust, and above all no power cables coming out of the vacuum. These are all things that gave us the idea.
Exhausting the air outside is no problem since the house is detached; only one side would be less ideal but still doable.
There are just many open questions that come up gradually...
Exhaust silencer... suction hose length... one or two hoses... fabric coating on the hose... and so on.
What MUST be included is a control line, not wireless.
Since a control system with a BUS line might also be installed, I want to maintain a wired solution without wireless control stations... only Wi-Fi should be wireless, everything else wired.
M.
I have a system from allaway and am very satisfied with it. However, it’s important to have a vacuum hose with an on/off switch on the handle; otherwise, you can only turn the vacuum off by unplugging the hose from the vacuum inlet. We found this annoying after a while, especially when we were all the way in the back corner of the kids’ room wanting to quickly tidy up, or when we wanted to move the couch in the living room and had to go to the hallway just to unplug the hose to turn it off. (I’m not sure what options Fawas offers.) What I really liked was the easy installation and the “cross” inside the vacuum inlet, where kids’ building blocks sometimes get stuck if they are accidentally sucked in, preventing them from entering the pipe system.
Handling the hose takes some getting used to. For my wife (who is 165cm (5 ft 5 in) tall), it is quite inconvenient to hold the telescopic vacuum tube while carrying the 8-meter (26 ft) hose rolled into three loops over her shoulder up the stairs. She usually leaves that to me (at 190cm (6 ft 3 in), it’s easier for me to carry). That’s why we got two hoses (one for the ground floor and one for the upper floor). And you really have to practice managing the hose, which tends to be quite unpredictable. Today, I would prefer to plan for one or two more vacuum inlets and choose a shorter hose.
However, I would never buy a regular vacuum cleaner again. We’re not allergic to house dust, but the system itself is excellent. Our previous Vorwerk vacuum was certainly better in terms of suction power, but it was expensive and probably wouldn’t last as long. Plus, the in-wall system is less likely to bang against door frames, get stuck, tip over, or block when rolling over kids’ building blocks, which is a big relief.
Handling the hose takes some getting used to. For my wife (who is 165cm (5 ft 5 in) tall), it is quite inconvenient to hold the telescopic vacuum tube while carrying the 8-meter (26 ft) hose rolled into three loops over her shoulder up the stairs. She usually leaves that to me (at 190cm (6 ft 3 in), it’s easier for me to carry). That’s why we got two hoses (one for the ground floor and one for the upper floor). And you really have to practice managing the hose, which tends to be quite unpredictable. Today, I would prefer to plan for one or two more vacuum inlets and choose a shorter hose.
However, I would never buy a regular vacuum cleaner again. We’re not allergic to house dust, but the system itself is excellent. Our previous Vorwerk vacuum was certainly better in terms of suction power, but it was expensive and probably wouldn’t last as long. Plus, the in-wall system is less likely to bang against door frames, get stuck, tip over, or block when rolling over kids’ building blocks, which is a big relief.
BOB der 1.2 Jan 2015 11:05Thanks in advance...
So, the issue of having 1 or 2 extra outlets is not a problem, since all the walls are still in their rough state and the first floor is not yet built.
The idea of having a switch on the telescopic handle makes perfect sense and is now added to the must-have list. My wife isn’t the smallest, but she deserves some comfort — which certainly doesn’t mean I have to carry the hose myself ☺.
Now, the question that comes up is whether it would make sense to get the outlets that automatically pull the hose into the duct... hope you understand what I mean? I saw a video on YouTube about it, and it looked quite practical. Although there might be some downsides if the hose gets stuck inside.
Can you tell me approximately how much your hose weighs? The three kids should be able to vacuum their rooms themselves, but right now that’s a problem because the vacuum cleaner is stored in the basement and the kids have to carry it up to the third floor... Our temporary apartment is quite cramped, so there are only two rooms per floor.
So, the issue of having 1 or 2 extra outlets is not a problem, since all the walls are still in their rough state and the first floor is not yet built.
The idea of having a switch on the telescopic handle makes perfect sense and is now added to the must-have list. My wife isn’t the smallest, but she deserves some comfort — which certainly doesn’t mean I have to carry the hose myself ☺.
Now, the question that comes up is whether it would make sense to get the outlets that automatically pull the hose into the duct... hope you understand what I mean? I saw a video on YouTube about it, and it looked quite practical. Although there might be some downsides if the hose gets stuck inside.
Can you tell me approximately how much your hose weighs? The three kids should be able to vacuum their rooms themselves, but right now that’s a problem because the vacuum cleaner is stored in the basement and the kids have to carry it up to the third floor... Our temporary apartment is quite cramped, so there are only two rooms per floor.
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