Hello everyone 🙂
After so much feedback on my initial plan, it has now gone back and forth with our architect, and everything is finally completed 🙂
I’m excited if you take a look!
Here are a few details:
The floor plans don’t yet include our basement living area. Basements intended for living are allowed here. It is planned to have a laundry room, the boiler room, storage room, an office, and a large hobby room with a bathroom and a small kitchenette.
Slope: none
Number of floors: 2 floors (attic counts as 2nd floor due to knee wall) + basement living area
Roof type: Gable roof with 25-degree pitch, knee wall 160 cm (63 inches) (we received an exemption for this) + a dormer on the south side for the two children’s bedrooms is also planned but not finalized yet (exemption also received)
Number of occupants: 2 adults (eventually + 2 children), aged 28 and 34
Heating system: Heat pump with ventilation
The orientation of the floor plan very closely matches the actual cardinal directions. Except for the guest WC, the rightmost window in the living room, the kitchen, and the bathroom, all windows are floor-to-ceiling.
Ground floor: A small path leads to the right into the house. Right at the entrance is a small niche for storing water crates, ironing board, vacuum cleaner, and other odds and ends. Instead of a door, this space will be separated by a curtain, saving space and looking nice 🙂 Next to it is a guest WC with a urinal. Opposite the stairs on the wall, three coat racks are planned, which will be screwed from floor to ceiling. There is space for a shoe bench and a tall shoe cabinet beside the front door and along the WC wall. Strollers, bicycles, etc. will be stored in a small shed in front of the house. That covers the entrance area.
The kitchen can be accessed from two sides via sliding doors. The garden is reached through the double doors in the dining area.
Upper floor:
The bedroom is designed to be quite small. I know. That is intentional. Our current sleeping area is even smaller, and we manage well with it. In case of need (broken leg, bassinet, etc.), we can push the bed against the wall to gain some more space. The walk-in closet is not separated from the bedroom by a door. The two children’s rooms may still get a dormer. There is a small change in the bathroom that is not shown in the drawings: the washbasin will be integrated into the bathtub ledge and will shift by 25 cm (10 inches). The passage will be about 90 cm (35 inches) wide then.
Done 🙂
After so much feedback on my initial plan, it has now gone back and forth with our architect, and everything is finally completed 🙂
I’m excited if you take a look!
Here are a few details:
The floor plans don’t yet include our basement living area. Basements intended for living are allowed here. It is planned to have a laundry room, the boiler room, storage room, an office, and a large hobby room with a bathroom and a small kitchenette.
Slope: none
Number of floors: 2 floors (attic counts as 2nd floor due to knee wall) + basement living area
Roof type: Gable roof with 25-degree pitch, knee wall 160 cm (63 inches) (we received an exemption for this) + a dormer on the south side for the two children’s bedrooms is also planned but not finalized yet (exemption also received)
Number of occupants: 2 adults (eventually + 2 children), aged 28 and 34
Heating system: Heat pump with ventilation
The orientation of the floor plan very closely matches the actual cardinal directions. Except for the guest WC, the rightmost window in the living room, the kitchen, and the bathroom, all windows are floor-to-ceiling.
Ground floor: A small path leads to the right into the house. Right at the entrance is a small niche for storing water crates, ironing board, vacuum cleaner, and other odds and ends. Instead of a door, this space will be separated by a curtain, saving space and looking nice 🙂 Next to it is a guest WC with a urinal. Opposite the stairs on the wall, three coat racks are planned, which will be screwed from floor to ceiling. There is space for a shoe bench and a tall shoe cabinet beside the front door and along the WC wall. Strollers, bicycles, etc. will be stored in a small shed in front of the house. That covers the entrance area.
The kitchen can be accessed from two sides via sliding doors. The garden is reached through the double doors in the dining area.
Upper floor:
The bedroom is designed to be quite small. I know. That is intentional. Our current sleeping area is even smaller, and we manage well with it. In case of need (broken leg, bassinet, etc.), we can push the bed against the wall to gain some more space. The walk-in closet is not separated from the bedroom by a door. The two children’s rooms may still get a dormer. There is a small change in the bathroom that is not shown in the drawings: the washbasin will be integrated into the bathtub ledge and will shift by 25 cm (10 inches). The passage will be about 90 cm (35 inches) wide then.
Done 🙂
T
toxicmolotof7 Apr 2017 17:09Somehow, I don’t see any constructive difference between your "plans" and the architect’s drawing. How could there be, when you are tightening such a corset.
Will the house have a mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery?
By the way, how tall are you exactly?
Will the house have a mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery?
By the way, how tall are you exactly?
S
Schnuckline7 Apr 2017 17:20@toxicmolotow Yes 🙂 The difference is not very big, as I warned. A few minor errors were corrected, such as the width of the doors, the width of the walk-in closet, an additional window, the doors opening inward, etc.
Yes, controlled mechanical ventilation throughout the whole house (except the living basement).
Yes, controlled mechanical ventilation throughout the whole house (except the living basement).
S
Schnuckline7 Apr 2017 17:28@toxicmolotow I am a proud 1.67 meters (5 feet 6 inches) tall 😀 Why do you ask?
Children and Dirt)
Wow. With this attitude, I would postpone your building plans until you’ve adjusted to the reality of diapers—if you’re even able to become parents like this.
Elevations and Sections)
These are essential tools for verifying window positions on floor plans, ceiling heights, and similar details. Without them, it’s difficult to make qualified adjustments to floor plans. The dashed double line above the front edge of the sofa indicates a ceiling beam hanging there.
Elevations are mandatory for permit or planning permission drawings (design phase), but they are also extremely helpful in the preliminary design stage to evaluate windows on the facades based on the floor plans. The less experienced the client is (and if they have never built before), the more indispensable this control tool becomes. Otherwise, you end up with surprised “Oh, that’s how it looks” moments—and window sashes banging against faucets. Well, on the ground floor you can clean them from outside. What is the architect’s profession again?
I do see a lot even without them, but to check the harmony of the facades, I’d really like to consult an elevation showing how, for example, bedroom and kitchen windows relate to each other.
And you yourself apparently don’t see some things from the floor plan how they will actually appear: the WC as a separate volume in the hallway, the “Damocles beam” above the sofa, the view of the narrow side of the partition wall when entering the bedroom, or you cleaning the roof window above the bathtub.
Stepped Partition Wall)
Which wall mount do you mean? I thought you meant placing the TV on the dresser. So, floor to ceiling behind the cabinet, and behind the dresser arranged so its top edge does not stick out beyond the wall.
Architect Ignoring Your Input)
Then fire her. Floor plan furnishings that contradict the results of your discussions render the plans useless for checking whether they are ready for approval.
Plaster)
Maria16 probably didn’t mean the visible surface finish of the wall, but that for solid walls, the dimensions given are rough structural sizes, and about a finger-thick layer of plaster will be applied on top. In prefabricated construction, gypsum board panels serve this purpose and are included in the dimensions.
You and your architect are creating—a bit at cross purposes, in fact—a level of tinkering that doesn’t fit this scale. The original floor plans of this house work excellently, and it clearly has the potential to become a bestseller. But only for people willing to accept a Pareto optimum. THAT is achievable at this scale.
The degree of perfection you’re aiming for requires space—meaning you either have an additional full meter of leg length available, which makes it feasible even in a square footprint; or it ends up, as here, feeling like a dollhouse.
Do you recall my spontaneous association from your plot layout with the suggested house, that you might have rotated the door-WC quadrant of the standard floor plan? Such a thing works. But making the bathroom door open outward, placing it behind the landing view of the stairs (which works well spatially), and extending the bathroom wall into that angle—this crosses into dollhouse-scale limitations. I don’t yet see the washbasin drain working properly this way, or at least it conflicts with the idea that a separate installation shaft is needed elsewhere.
To maintain the same external dimensions, the basic model must be adapted more delicately. It will never be a design that Nordlys or I would want to build immediately. But it fits. For hundreds of Schmidts, Meiers, or Häberles. You have perfectly worked out this excellent Pareto-optimal functionality.
If I may add one unsolicited piece of life advice (feel free to yell at me if not): evaluate your relationship based on an architect’s fee written off to the wind, look for a nice house to rent (which can be smaller now while you still need fewer children’s rooms) to gain single-family home experience, and occasionally cover holidays for friends who are parents and want to take an extended weekend away just as a couple. This could be the best investment in incidental construction costs you ever make. Just saying, as an old guy.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Wow. With this attitude, I would postpone your building plans until you’ve adjusted to the reality of diapers—if you’re even able to become parents like this.
Elevations and Sections)
These are essential tools for verifying window positions on floor plans, ceiling heights, and similar details. Without them, it’s difficult to make qualified adjustments to floor plans. The dashed double line above the front edge of the sofa indicates a ceiling beam hanging there.
Elevations are mandatory for permit or planning permission drawings (design phase), but they are also extremely helpful in the preliminary design stage to evaluate windows on the facades based on the floor plans. The less experienced the client is (and if they have never built before), the more indispensable this control tool becomes. Otherwise, you end up with surprised “Oh, that’s how it looks” moments—and window sashes banging against faucets. Well, on the ground floor you can clean them from outside. What is the architect’s profession again?
I do see a lot even without them, but to check the harmony of the facades, I’d really like to consult an elevation showing how, for example, bedroom and kitchen windows relate to each other.
And you yourself apparently don’t see some things from the floor plan how they will actually appear: the WC as a separate volume in the hallway, the “Damocles beam” above the sofa, the view of the narrow side of the partition wall when entering the bedroom, or you cleaning the roof window above the bathtub.
Stepped Partition Wall)
Which wall mount do you mean? I thought you meant placing the TV on the dresser. So, floor to ceiling behind the cabinet, and behind the dresser arranged so its top edge does not stick out beyond the wall.
Architect Ignoring Your Input)
Then fire her. Floor plan furnishings that contradict the results of your discussions render the plans useless for checking whether they are ready for approval.
Plaster)
Maria16 probably didn’t mean the visible surface finish of the wall, but that for solid walls, the dimensions given are rough structural sizes, and about a finger-thick layer of plaster will be applied on top. In prefabricated construction, gypsum board panels serve this purpose and are included in the dimensions.
You and your architect are creating—a bit at cross purposes, in fact—a level of tinkering that doesn’t fit this scale. The original floor plans of this house work excellently, and it clearly has the potential to become a bestseller. But only for people willing to accept a Pareto optimum. THAT is achievable at this scale.
The degree of perfection you’re aiming for requires space—meaning you either have an additional full meter of leg length available, which makes it feasible even in a square footprint; or it ends up, as here, feeling like a dollhouse.
Do you recall my spontaneous association from your plot layout with the suggested house, that you might have rotated the door-WC quadrant of the standard floor plan? Such a thing works. But making the bathroom door open outward, placing it behind the landing view of the stairs (which works well spatially), and extending the bathroom wall into that angle—this crosses into dollhouse-scale limitations. I don’t yet see the washbasin drain working properly this way, or at least it conflicts with the idea that a separate installation shaft is needed elsewhere.
To maintain the same external dimensions, the basic model must be adapted more delicately. It will never be a design that Nordlys or I would want to build immediately. But it fits. For hundreds of Schmidts, Meiers, or Häberles. You have perfectly worked out this excellent Pareto-optimal functionality.
If I may add one unsolicited piece of life advice (feel free to yell at me if not): evaluate your relationship based on an architect’s fee written off to the wind, look for a nice house to rent (which can be smaller now while you still need fewer children’s rooms) to gain single-family home experience, and occasionally cover holidays for friends who are parents and want to take an extended weekend away just as a couple. This could be the best investment in incidental construction costs you ever make. Just saying, as an old guy.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
S
Schnuckline7 Apr 2017 18:08@11ant Really??? No one told me that! I need to ask again. How deep do ceiling joists usually hang? I haven’t seen that in any of the houses. I also need to ask about the cuts if no one offers them to me.
Stepped partition wall: Okay, now I’m totally lost about what you mean 😀 I thought you meant making a small recess in the wall to put the TV there. I wanted to hang it on the wall of the walk-in closet. What do you mean behind the wardrobe? Behind the wardrobe is the wall anyway 😀
I kind of assumed that the feasibility of everything (like the washbasin installation shaft) is guaranteed as long as none of the experts contradict me during planning… hmm…
Thanks for your life advice 😀 😀 I’m not scratching either. It just sounds totally absurd to us HAHA. Have I mentioned that it’s nearly impossible to find building land around here? I watch quite a few couples get older and older without being able to build because they can’t find a plot. I’m talking about a situation where real estate agents are paid 10,000 euros just for a chance to buy. That’s the kind of messed-up world I live in, and I’d rather drop dead on the spot than mess up this chance. Even a small rental house isn’t something you find just like that. You plan for years to find something 😀 I know you mean well, but that’s such a strange idea.
Stepped partition wall: Okay, now I’m totally lost about what you mean 😀 I thought you meant making a small recess in the wall to put the TV there. I wanted to hang it on the wall of the walk-in closet. What do you mean behind the wardrobe? Behind the wardrobe is the wall anyway 😀
I kind of assumed that the feasibility of everything (like the washbasin installation shaft) is guaranteed as long as none of the experts contradict me during planning… hmm…
Thanks for your life advice 😀 😀 I’m not scratching either. It just sounds totally absurd to us HAHA. Have I mentioned that it’s nearly impossible to find building land around here? I watch quite a few couples get older and older without being able to build because they can’t find a plot. I’m talking about a situation where real estate agents are paid 10,000 euros just for a chance to buy. That’s the kind of messed-up world I live in, and I’d rather drop dead on the spot than mess up this chance. Even a small rental house isn’t something you find just like that. You plan for years to find something 😀 I know you mean well, but that’s such a strange idea.
OT: Everything that seems unthinkable today suddenly becomes normal with children.
I simply prefer the original design.
I don’t like the coat storage or the recessed area. A curtain instead of a door feels temporary.
I would remove the privacy screen in the bathroom. It just creates a narrow spot.
In the bedroom, I would skip the walk-in closet.
I simply prefer the original design.
I don’t like the coat storage or the recessed area. A curtain instead of a door feels temporary.
I would remove the privacy screen in the bathroom. It just creates a narrow spot.
In the bedroom, I would skip the walk-in closet.
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