Hello,
we are building a semi-detached house with a developer.
We have to do the painting work ourselves afterward
(we can no longer afford a professional painter).
We only imagined plastered walls
(which we find visually appealing).
Either just filling until the surface is smooth (e.g., Q3 level) and then painting the wall, or applying textured paint or roll-on render over the filled surface.
The developer has now expressed concerns and told us that in new builds there can be a very large number of small cracks.
We are building brick by brick with sand-lime brick (or rather, the developer is) and some walls are gypsum concrete, but about 90% are sand-lime brick.
How are your walls in new builds with only plastered surfaces, especially with sand-lime brick?
Some acquaintances who built with Ytong have so far only had minor cracks after 1.5 years (but only at the top of the wall, at the connection to the ceiling, with large cracks).
But not like the developer said, that there would be small cracks everywhere.
The developer recommends using painting fleece so that the cracks remain under the fleece.
I know that cracks can occur in new walls during the drying process, but we only know of occasional larger cracks, not many small or medium cracks everywhere.
I hope you can help me.
we are building a semi-detached house with a developer.
We have to do the painting work ourselves afterward
(we can no longer afford a professional painter).
We only imagined plastered walls
(which we find visually appealing).
Either just filling until the surface is smooth (e.g., Q3 level) and then painting the wall, or applying textured paint or roll-on render over the filled surface.
The developer has now expressed concerns and told us that in new builds there can be a very large number of small cracks.
We are building brick by brick with sand-lime brick (or rather, the developer is) and some walls are gypsum concrete, but about 90% are sand-lime brick.
How are your walls in new builds with only plastered surfaces, especially with sand-lime brick?
Some acquaintances who built with Ytong have so far only had minor cracks after 1.5 years (but only at the top of the wall, at the connection to the ceiling, with large cracks).
But not like the developer said, that there would be small cracks everywhere.
The developer recommends using painting fleece so that the cracks remain under the fleece.
I know that cracks can occur in new walls during the drying process, but we only know of occasional larger cracks, not many small or medium cracks everywhere.
I hope you can help me.
P
Pwnage6191 Jul 2022 09:33Yes, you are right, all walls will be finished to Q2 level by the builder.
According to the builder, the walls will then be ready for wallpapering. I assume I will still need to do some additional filling and sanding to remove any small bumps or holes.
I know that the house will settle over time, which can cause cracks to appear. I was just surprised that the builder said there will be a lot of cracks everywhere.
A few cracks like @[B]jcan mentioned wouldn’t be a problem, but if the entire wall is covered with many small cracks, it won’t look good anymore.
According to the builder, the walls will then be ready for wallpapering. I assume I will still need to do some additional filling and sanding to remove any small bumps or holes.
I know that the house will settle over time, which can cause cracks to appear. I was just surprised that the builder said there will be a lot of cracks everywhere.
A few cracks like @[B]jcan mentioned wouldn’t be a problem, but if the entire wall is covered with many small cracks, it won’t look good anymore.
When it comes to cost savings and DIY work, I immediately thought of Q2 finishing and paintable fleece.
You will even find some users here who have applied paint directly over Q2 and are satisfied with the results.
Of course, quality differences also play a role, since not all Q2 is the same, and the same applies to Q3/Q4...
In my opinion, this is the most practical and cost-effective option for DIY projects aiming for smooth walls, as not everyone likes textured plaster or similar finishes.
Good paintable fleece can be sourced cheaply from classifieds or similar places, and anyone willing can install it. After that, just paint it in any color you like, and you’re done. Alternatively, there are paintable fleeces with various surface textures that also look great and can hide minor unevenness in the plaster...
That said, you will still need to spend a few hours with a sander on Q2 to remove the fine uneven spots and small bumps mentioned. All in all, this is manageable, affordable, and effective.
You will even find some users here who have applied paint directly over Q2 and are satisfied with the results.
Of course, quality differences also play a role, since not all Q2 is the same, and the same applies to Q3/Q4...
In my opinion, this is the most practical and cost-effective option for DIY projects aiming for smooth walls, as not everyone likes textured plaster or similar finishes.
Good paintable fleece can be sourced cheaply from classifieds or similar places, and anyone willing can install it. After that, just paint it in any color you like, and you’re done. Alternatively, there are paintable fleeces with various surface textures that also look great and can hide minor unevenness in the plaster...
That said, you will still need to spend a few hours with a sander on Q2 to remove the fine uneven spots and small bumps mentioned. All in all, this is manageable, affordable, and effective.
P
Pwnage6191 Jul 2022 10:04Perhaps you misunderstood me.
It’s not about squeezing every last cent five times over.
It’s mainly about achieving a good final result for the next, let’s say, five years.
We want to do the painting ourselves because a painter often charges 10,000-20,000 or more for a 150 sqm (1,615 sq ft) house. Doing it ourselves should cost around 2,000-3,000.
I’m not afraid to spend a few days filling and sanding, but the result should be good in the end and not develop many cracks after just a few months (a few would be okay and normal, but not a lot).
We didn’t have a good experience with wallpapering (but that was textured wallpaper), as the seams were always noticeable (which might have been due to the wallpaper).
It’s not about squeezing every last cent five times over.
It’s mainly about achieving a good final result for the next, let’s say, five years.
We want to do the painting ourselves because a painter often charges 10,000-20,000 or more for a 150 sqm (1,615 sq ft) house. Doing it ourselves should cost around 2,000-3,000.
I’m not afraid to spend a few days filling and sanding, but the result should be good in the end and not develop many cracks after just a few months (a few would be okay and normal, but not a lot).
We didn’t have a good experience with wallpapering (but that was textured wallpaper), as the seams were always noticeable (which might have been due to the wallpaper).
Then you may have misunderstood us/me.
At least, my point was not about the "cheapest result," but about achieving a good to very good quality at an affordable price. 😉
You can easily reach this by doing some light sanding, applying painter’s fleece (with or without texture), and painting yourself. You just need to get started, and with the right determination and quality standards, you can achieve a good result. Begin wallpapering in the utility room, storage room, or children’s room first, and leave the living room and similar spaces for last. 😉
By the way, when using painter’s fleece, it’s important that the seams do not overlap, but rather leave a small gap. Professionals fill this gap with a joint compound, and then it’s completely invisible.
I personally was able to wallpaper ceilings easily with painter’s fleece for the first time — no problem! You just have to want it and get started...
At least, my point was not about the "cheapest result," but about achieving a good to very good quality at an affordable price. 😉
You can easily reach this by doing some light sanding, applying painter’s fleece (with or without texture), and painting yourself. You just need to get started, and with the right determination and quality standards, you can achieve a good result. Begin wallpapering in the utility room, storage room, or children’s room first, and leave the living room and similar spaces for last. 😉
By the way, when using painter’s fleece, it’s important that the seams do not overlap, but rather leave a small gap. Professionals fill this gap with a joint compound, and then it’s completely invisible.
I personally was able to wallpaper ceilings easily with painter’s fleece for the first time — no problem! You just have to want it and get started...
netuser schrieb:
You just have to want to do it and get started...And be able to...In 9 out of 10 cases, it usually doesn’t work the first time.
Surely you have some friend or relative who can help and knows how it works, or even better, is a painter.
P
Pwnage6191 Jul 2022 10:22So you would definitely recommend painter’s fleece? Just apply a skim coat beforehand, sand it relatively smooth, and then put the painter’s fleece on?
Is there a brand of painter’s fleece you would recommend?
Joint compound is absolutely no problem; we have plenty of that.
No, we don’t have any painters who are friends or relatives; otherwise, I wouldn’t be asking here 😀
Is there a brand of painter’s fleece you would recommend?
Joint compound is absolutely no problem; we have plenty of that.
No, we don’t have any painters who are friends or relatives; otherwise, I wouldn’t be asking here 😀
Similar topics