ᐅ Creating a Plan for Insulating an Old Building – How to Proceed?

Created on: 30 Aug 2022 10:30
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Tobibi
Hello,

I’m currently trying to make a plan for how to best improve the insulation of our house. I hope I can write everything down clearly so that some of you might be able to give me tips or suggest different approaches.

We bought a large house from 1982, about 200 sqm (2,150 sq ft) of living space. There is an approximately 6-year-old heat pump for heating and hot water, and a small wood stove in the living room. The ground floor and first floor have underfloor heating, while three basement rooms and a converted room above the garage have radiators. These radiators have a separate heating circuit with their own flow temperature and are rarely used, actually not at all in the basement.

In the main bedroom on the first floor, the previous owner opened the ceiling a few years ago, creating a high space that goes up to the roof ridge. The roof was insulated at that time, but I don’t have any documentation on how well. The rest of the house remains in its original condition, so basically uninsulated.

The walls are solid brick. The wooden windows have double glazing. Many windows and the front door do not seal well, allowing noticeable drafts at some windows. The top floor ceiling is not concrete but made of joists, covered underneath on the first floor with drywall and boards on top. Between the joists, there appears to be rock wool insulation packed in.

We have a 9 kWp photovoltaic system with battery storage, which the previous owner also installed. As it currently stands, the electricity from the photovoltaic system cannot be used for the heat pump, only for other household electricity. There is a separate meter with a heating electricity contract. Surplus electricity is fed back into the grid.

I recently received the heating electricity bill, showing that from March 2021 to March 2022—one full year—we used about 12,500 kWh for heating and hot water, which I find quite high. I definitely want to take action, especially since electricity prices are rising sharply. I’m not an experienced DIYer, but I can assist and have very helpful father and father-in-law who have a lot of skills. So, some things could be done ourselves, although time is always a factor.

A no-brainer seems to be replacing the window seals and adjusting them so they close tightly again. I am already in contact with a company for this.
Next, I’m thinking about insulating the roller shutter boxes. I would probably get a company to do this as well.
I’m considering insulating the basement ceiling with insulation boards that can be glued or fixed with plugs. If there are instructions available, we would rather do that ourselves. Or should I focus on insulating the top floor ceiling or installing insulation between the rafters? Or both? Probably not at the same time—maybe one this year and the other in a year or two. What would be the better order?

Would it make sense to modify the photovoltaic system so that the electricity can be used for the heat pump? I would have to hire an electrician for that, which costs money. But then the electricity would be usable for heating, and there would be only one basic fee. On the other hand, the yield in winter is not very good, and I would lose the cheaper heating electricity tariff. I once tracked generated, fed-in, self-used, and purchased electricity over a longer period and basically concluded that the conversion might not be worthwhile. But now electricity prices are rising dramatically.

Insulating the facade and/or installing new windows is honestly too expensive for me right now. On the other hand, we will need to have the entire exterior repainted next year or the year after. That costs several thousand when done professionally, which would almost offset the cost of external wall insulation. But presumably, these two should go together—insulation and new windows—because doing only one is not sensible and could cause problems with condensation.

So, that turned out to be quite a long message. I hope it’s understandable. How would you proceed? If I forgot anything, just ask. I might also add a follow-up later.

Best regards,
Tobi
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KarstenausNRW
22 Dec 2022 09:57
Adam2112 schrieb:

Everyone says something different. Find another energy consultant. CE marking is sufficient.

Please post the CE marking. The screenshot that was previously mentioned is not a CE marking. This is just to verify once more. The CE marking must always be accompanied by a declaration of performance. Please also include that.

Table for CE marking with example: CE symbol, sample logo, KD-1234, EN 12345:2014/AC:2017
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Adam2112
22 Dec 2022 11:20
KarstenausNRW schrieb:

Please post the CE marking. What was previously shared as a screenshot is not a CE marking. Just so we can verify. A CE marking always includes a declaration of performance. Please also attach that.

Please send an email to Vertrieb@ addressed to Mr. Manfred Richter. He will then send the complete documents. Doesn’t the screenshot show the declared performance? There is at least one more page, but I will not post any documents publicly here. Anyone interested can send an email and ask their questions.
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KarstenausNRW
22 Dec 2022 11:23
Adam2112 schrieb:

but I will not post any documents here publicly.

These are public documents that must be included with every product. Therefore, I do not understand your position.
Adam2112 schrieb:

The screenshot does say declared performance, doesn’t it?

It says something. But that is irrelevant. A proper CE declaration along with the performance declaration is standard. For every product. Your energy consultant should have received that from you as well. Otherwise, they cannot review the product.
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KarstenausNRW
22 Dec 2022 12:39
Hey, we could take the product and apply for a patent. Make a bit more profit. At the patent office, it is at least not known or listed in the databases—despite the fact that it is so revolutionary. I was bold enough to check there once.
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Cronos86
22 Dec 2022 13:25
KarstenausNRW schrieb:

Hey, we could take this product and have it patented. Make a little more profit from it. At least at the patent office, despite it being so revolutionary, it’s not known or listed in the databases. I was bold enough to check there once.

Unfortunately, we would then have to prove that the product complies with a lambda value of 0.00012 W/mK (0.00007 Btu/(ft·h·°F)), which is quite challenging.
(In the product datasheets of PScoat for PSC 250 T, it still states 0.034 W/mK (0.0197 Btu/(ft·h·°F)). But if you test it yourself, you might actually get 0.00012 W/mK (0.00007 Btu/(ft·h·°F)).
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KarstenausNRW
22 Dec 2022 13:52
Cronos86 schrieb:

Unfortunately, we would then have to prove that the product meets a lambda value of 0.00012 W/mK 😱.
We don’t actually need to do that. I’m currently waiting for the CE certificate and the performance data. Then we’ll have the "proof" 😉