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Tolentino, that is not correct. These peer-reviewed studies have existed for a long time, even before, as this was not the first pandemic. Therefore, there is no need for further analysis. By 2020 at the latest, it was already clear which virus was involved. The facts were known. However, they were not allowed to be reported, and scientists who did so were heavily marginalized and sometimes even persecuted (house searches, judges being summoned, etc.).

These are just lame excuses from the perpetrators (with the Green Party and Social Democrats leading the charge). However, I agree with you on how scientific work functions and that the investigations, including court cases against individual agitators and companies, are only just beginning. Unfortunately, this will take years, or rather decades.

Tolentino schrieb:

The review regarding the coronavirus topic is still just beginning. I doubt there are already clear conclusions within the context of the scientific processes I described earlier. All data must first be gathered and analyzed, and these studies and conclusions then need to undergo peer review. Until then, the discussion is ongoing and we are still far from a confirmed factual basis.

I see the discussion as well, but as far as I know, it mainly concerns specific aspects of pandemic policies, such as the closure of schools and daycare centers. That is certainly debatable. On one hand, today we know that it may not have been necessary. On the other hand, one can argue that at that time, this was not known.
However, I have not seen any credible sources claim that all measures (including vaccines) should simply have been omitted and everything just let take its course.

Oh, and I don’t consider Der Welt a credible source; it is the pseudo-journalistic offshoot of Bild, and what Bild consists of has been thoroughly explained by the doctors in "Lasse reden." 😀 But of course, opinions on that are likely divided, as usual.

@Bookstar87 However, if you want to examine the effectiveness of the measures during the coronavirus pandemic, you need to analyze those measures specifically in the context of coronavirus infections and the related data. At the beginning, not everything was known about the virus and how it operates. On top of that, there were variants that sometimes behaved quite differently.

There are several methodological challenges and especially uncertainties in the data. For example, the Covid Stringency Index from Oxford University always records the strictest measures in a country and does not take regional variations into account.

There will still be a lot of scientific follow-up work to be done, which is unrelated to any legal issues but part of the scientific process, and yes, this will also take years.

I agree that there are significant (intentional or unintentional?) data gaps within Germany. Internationally, much of this information already exists, but having even more certainly wouldn’t hurt. However, none of this will change the actions and statements of individuals that were criminal regardless of the effectiveness of the measures. It’s important to make a clear distinction there.

To connect this to the topic of climate change: we (politics, media, society) must avoid making the same mistakes again. I’m curious to see, because the biggest difference this time is that it affects 100% of people, not just 20% (the unvaccinated).

Not only within Germany. When you compare international data, you first need to harmonize it to avoid comparing apples and oranges (or even bananas). This involves adjusting the data (but not too much), converting it (with traceable factors), and so on.

In my opinion, when it comes to climate issues, all the mistakes have been made over the past 30 years. Now it is about turning the situation around in the final stretch. And that will inevitably be painful, no matter whether you steer right or left, or slam on the brakes.

Tolentino schrieb:

In my opinion, when it comes to climate issues, all the mistakes have been made over the past 30 years. Now we have to pull the cart back in the last stretch. And that will only cause pain, whether you turn right or left or slam on the brakes.

Well, unlike with the coronavirus, individual countries cannot decide on their own here; it can only be done together, and that is a huge problem.

We also need to stop focusing on side issues. The Last Generation movement, the 9-Euro Ticket, speed limits, bans on wood-burning stoves, etc., are all populist nonsense. We need to approach this scientifically and require plans that are independent of any lobbyists or eco-socialists.

The other alternative is sweating heavily in a few decades and hoping for the best 😀