ᐅ Curb and concrete: which one is recommended?

Created on: 30 Oct 2018 12:30
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305er
Hi,

we want to order our paving stones and terrace slabs today and complete the work this year.

For the pathways, the splash guard (30cm (12 inches) wide filled with gravel), and the terrace, we are using a 6x20/25x100 deep curb stone.
That’s the plan, at least.

For the driveway, we are using an 8cm (3 inches) deep curb stone.

In total, there are about 70m (230 feet) of deep curb stones.
My wife’s uncle, who is helping us and works in road construction at the city, said it’s enough to set only the joints in concrete.
I’m a bit skeptical about that.

What do you think? How much concrete would we approximately need if we want to do it properly?
And which type of concrete should we use exactly?
Portland cement concrete, screed concrete, mortar, or fast-setting concrete?

Are these 30kg (66 pounds) bags suitable for this?

Thanks in advance!
305er13 Nov 2018 22:56
*sob* Oh dear, where am I supposed to put all this soil? I don’t need that much anymore.

If it’s really 10cm (5 inches) of soil everywhere, that’s almost 5.5m³ (about 194 cubic feet).

What a pity, so it’s going to be more manual work or renting an excavator. I really thought that since there have already been loads of excavators and equipment on this area, it wouldn’t settle anymore.
HAL0612014 Nov 2018 13:45
I made the splash guard using 5cm (2 inches) lawn edging and mixed bagged concrete (25kg + 30kg). One bag yields only about 15 liters (0.5 cubic feet), which is really just the bare minimum for 1 meter (3.3 feet).

I wouldn’t mix it myself again. Prepare everything well, lay out the stones, and then get ready-mix concrete. That’s how I did it for the footing pads of the carport. The minimum order at the concrete plant is 0.3 cubic meters (10.6 cubic feet), which by weight fits exactly on a hardware store trailer (675kg / 1,488 lbs). With a retardant from the plant, the damp (or slightly wetter) concrete can be worked with for several hours. For 14 footing pads, I needed 3 trailers. (1 trailer = 38 EUR gross). The curb stones will be delivered soon. I definitely wouldn’t want to mix concrete myself again.
305er14 Nov 2018 14:30
Hi, if I’m making the walkways from the house to the garage/parking space, do I need to remove the soil underneath and fill it with gravel, or is there hardly any load so I can just level up with existing soil, compact it, put grit on top, and then lay the paving?
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apokolok
14 Nov 2018 14:46
The problem with soil is that it is generally sensitive to frost and its load-bearing capacity is not reliable in the long term. Of course, this will have less impact on footpaths than on areas with vehicle traffic. However, sooner or later, irregularities will occur. In addition, everything naturally grows well on soil, which you don’t want, and this will happen early enough anyway. Even though it’s a lot of work, it’s better to do it properly now than to be annoyed for years later. Maybe you could actually borrow a mini excavator and remove it all in one go. If you can no longer spread the soil yourself, advertise it in the classifieds—someone will eventually come to collect it.
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alexm86
14 Nov 2018 16:51
Reading all this, I would stay away from it...
At least one person involved needs to have expertise in the subject, while the rest can be helpers or laborers. Otherwise, you’ll have to redo the driveway after a few years because it has settled, developed a slope towards the house, or something similar.