ᐅ Floor plan design for our single-family home Single-family home in Schleswig-Holstein
Created on: 21 Aug 2018 17:54
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opalau
Hello everyone,
After successfully finding and purchasing a plot in Schleswig-Holstein a few months ago, we are currently planning our single-family house. On one hand, we are evaluating general contractors for potential collaboration, and on the other hand, we are refining the floor plan.
Originally, a basement was planned (see cross-section), but we cannot avoid a waterproof concrete shell (“white tank”) as recommended by the soil survey for the foundation. Furthermore, the requirements of the energy saving ordinance make basements more expensive. The narrow plot (15m (49 feet)) also complicates slope construction. All these factors have led us to plan without a basement, instead allocating more space above ground.
We’re now fairly satisfied with the preliminary result but aren’t attached to it—at least I hope not... Overall, we planned generously, but I’m still a bit surprised that the ground floor area is about 230 sq m (2,475 sq ft). I’m also somewhat worried that we might have a biased tunnel vision as amateurs, which is why I’m sharing this here.
Please excuse the duplicate floor plans. I find the interior visualization in Sweet Home 3D so poor that I can’t use it for interior design. Hence the separate versions. I hope that’s not too confusing.
At this point, many thanks to the forum; just from reading along, we’ve already learned a lot, which is fantastic!
Size of plot: 1150 sq m (15m x approx. 77m (49 feet x approx. 253 feet))
Slope: No
Land use parameters (floor area ratio, plot ratio, etc.): §34
Restrictions: Eave height 5.5m (18 feet), ridge height 8.14m (27 feet) (pre-application regarding volume)
Owner’s requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Simple, gable roof
Basement, floors: No basement, 2 full stories
Number and age of people: 32, 39, 3, 0
Space requirements on ground floor: Cooking/eating/living, pantry, study, utility room, guest WC, entrance area, hallway
Space requirements on upper floor: 2 children’s bedrooms, children’s shower bath, master bedroom, dressing room, master bath, storage room, utility room, hallway
Office: Home office, hobby (used often)
Overnight guests per year: 0
Open or closed architecture: Open
Traditional or modern construction: Probably modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open with kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: No
Music/stereo wall: No (What is a stereo wall anyway? )
Balcony, roof terrace: No
Garage, carport: Double carport with shed as boundary structure
House design
Who created the design: Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
- Generously sized rooms
- Good separation between master and children’s areas
- Children’s rooms face the private garden
- Master bedroom faces sunrise
- High knee wall on upper floor
- Adequate storage space
What do you dislike? Why?
- Master bath above study
- Storage room on upper floor on south side (but a neighbor is only 6m (20 feet) away here)
- Is the entrance area cramped?
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: 500,000 EUR plus additional construction costs, landscaping, carport
Preferred heating technology: Gas
If you had to do without something, which details/upgrades could you skip: No individual room as such, more a reduction of overall generosity, possibly consolidating the many storage areas (pantry, utility room, HAR, storage closet).
Why did the design turn out this way? Many iterations, balancing wishes, conversations with general contractors, visits to model parks, etc.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters? Is the floor plan basically reasonable? Have we missed anything crucial due to tunnel vision?
After successfully finding and purchasing a plot in Schleswig-Holstein a few months ago, we are currently planning our single-family house. On one hand, we are evaluating general contractors for potential collaboration, and on the other hand, we are refining the floor plan.
Originally, a basement was planned (see cross-section), but we cannot avoid a waterproof concrete shell (“white tank”) as recommended by the soil survey for the foundation. Furthermore, the requirements of the energy saving ordinance make basements more expensive. The narrow plot (15m (49 feet)) also complicates slope construction. All these factors have led us to plan without a basement, instead allocating more space above ground.
We’re now fairly satisfied with the preliminary result but aren’t attached to it—at least I hope not... Overall, we planned generously, but I’m still a bit surprised that the ground floor area is about 230 sq m (2,475 sq ft). I’m also somewhat worried that we might have a biased tunnel vision as amateurs, which is why I’m sharing this here.
Please excuse the duplicate floor plans. I find the interior visualization in Sweet Home 3D so poor that I can’t use it for interior design. Hence the separate versions. I hope that’s not too confusing.
At this point, many thanks to the forum; just from reading along, we’ve already learned a lot, which is fantastic!
Size of plot: 1150 sq m (15m x approx. 77m (49 feet x approx. 253 feet))
Slope: No
Land use parameters (floor area ratio, plot ratio, etc.): §34
Restrictions: Eave height 5.5m (18 feet), ridge height 8.14m (27 feet) (pre-application regarding volume)
Owner’s requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Simple, gable roof
Basement, floors: No basement, 2 full stories
Number and age of people: 32, 39, 3, 0
Space requirements on ground floor: Cooking/eating/living, pantry, study, utility room, guest WC, entrance area, hallway
Space requirements on upper floor: 2 children’s bedrooms, children’s shower bath, master bedroom, dressing room, master bath, storage room, utility room, hallway
Office: Home office, hobby (used often)
Overnight guests per year: 0
Open or closed architecture: Open
Traditional or modern construction: Probably modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open with kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: No
Music/stereo wall: No (What is a stereo wall anyway? )
Balcony, roof terrace: No
Garage, carport: Double carport with shed as boundary structure
House design
Who created the design: Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
- Generously sized rooms
- Good separation between master and children’s areas
- Children’s rooms face the private garden
- Master bedroom faces sunrise
- High knee wall on upper floor
- Adequate storage space
What do you dislike? Why?
- Master bath above study
- Storage room on upper floor on south side (but a neighbor is only 6m (20 feet) away here)
- Is the entrance area cramped?
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: 500,000 EUR plus additional construction costs, landscaping, carport
Preferred heating technology: Gas
If you had to do without something, which details/upgrades could you skip: No individual room as such, more a reduction of overall generosity, possibly consolidating the many storage areas (pantry, utility room, HAR, storage closet).
Why did the design turn out this way? Many iterations, balancing wishes, conversations with general contractors, visits to model parks, etc.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters? Is the floor plan basically reasonable? Have we missed anything crucial due to tunnel vision?
ypg schrieb:
Where does the idea actually come from to place the front door on the south side?
I think it’s because the garage is planned on the north side, right up to the property boundary, leaving no access there since the lot is too narrow. Entering through the gable end is quite tricky given the width. So the south side remains the primary option.
HausBW schrieb:
What I don't quite understand: for my 190 sqm (2,045 sq ft) at 450k, it was called completely unrealistic, but here we are talking about 230 sqm (2,474 sq ft) for 500k. Why isn’t this called unrealistic? The price is actually lower.Because you have a slope. That can quickly add 50,000 to 100,000. Or has that changed meanwhile? Did you already budget extra money for that? Maybe it was overlooked in the discussion?
Seeing it now, well-rested, I understand many of your points.
Today, I don’t like the wall as much as I did last night either. But while the entire open space suffers, for me the living room benefits because it gets a somewhat more separated corner.
I talked about that with my wife yesterday as well. We find it a bit hard to see that as a real problem. For one thing, we don’t chop vegetables all the time, and you definitely shouldn’t be looking around when handling knives. Plus, with a slight turn of the head to the left (and without the living room wall), you see the living-dining area directly…
Good grief, that sounds like a kitchen counter bar.
From my point of view, maximizing square footage in the home office can never be unnecessary.
That’s more like an idea I’m struggling with. We have such a big house and then solve it in such a tasteless way!
In my plan, the utility room would really only be for utilities. So no vacuum cleaner, no tools, etc. Hopefully, I won’t need to go in there often. Those items belong in a (somewhat larger and arguably misnamed) pantry.
It is above the kitchen/dining area, but you’re absolutely right. I hadn’t noticed that yesterday evening.
Thanks for explaining, even if it’s a carport (the city won’t allow a garage), that was exactly our thought process. Having the entrance on the eaves side definitely saves a lot of circulation space to access the “long” house.
My floor plan draft file is starting to look like hieroglyphs…
kaho674 schrieb:
Mmh, well, this living room version is not my favorite at all. I always prefer tearing down walls for more openness rather than putting them up.
Today, I don’t like the wall as much as I did last night either. But while the entire open space suffers, for me the living room benefits because it gets a somewhat more separated corner.
kaho674 schrieb:
And while chopping vegetables, you end up looking at the pantry door again. I find that really unfortunate.
I talked about that with my wife yesterday as well. We find it a bit hard to see that as a real problem. For one thing, we don’t chop vegetables all the time, and you definitely shouldn’t be looking around when handling knives. Plus, with a slight turn of the head to the left (and without the living room wall), you see the living-dining area directly…
kaho674 schrieb:
If only there was space opposite for a couple of stools, so you could look someone in the face who’s watching. But the stools would be right in the walkway.
Good grief, that sounds like a kitchen counter bar.
kaho674 schrieb:
Also, the locked utility room is not desirable to me, especially not above the guest toilet. Ask yourself if you really gain necessary space that way, or if it’s just maximizing square footage for the home office that might not be needed?
From my point of view, maximizing square footage in the home office can never be unnecessary.
kaho674 schrieb:
Somehow, the only word that comes to mind is “tasteless.”
That’s more like an idea I’m struggling with. We have such a big house and then solve it in such a tasteless way!
kaho674 schrieb:
Also, the utility room feels very small now. You usually have other things that fit well in there, like tools, vacuum cleaner, and so on. There’s almost never enough space there.
In my plan, the utility room would really only be for utilities. So no vacuum cleaner, no tools, etc. Hopefully, I won’t need to go in there often. Those items belong in a (somewhat larger and arguably misnamed) pantry.
kaho674 schrieb:
The kids' bathroom drainage location is even more questionable — almost directly above the living room. Not even a kitchen wall nearby.
It is above the kitchen/dining area, but you’re absolutely right. I hadn’t noticed that yesterday evening.
kaho674 schrieb:
I guess it’s because on the north side, the garage is placed forward right up to the boundary, so there’s no access since the plot is too narrow.
Entrance via the gable is really tricky with this width. South remains the first option.
Thanks for explaining, even if it’s a carport (the city won’t allow a garage), that was exactly our thought process. Having the entrance on the eaves side definitely saves a lot of circulation space to access the “long” house.
My floor plan draft file is starting to look like hieroglyphs…
Yes, no one could have predicted that you would want to store your tools in the pantry. Cleaning cloths, mop buckets, and the like as well. Hmm. Don’t you want to reconsider that? I mean, that’s why it’s often called a utility room / laundry room, because it’s ideal for storing buckets and similar items without your Christmas roast suddenly smelling like bleach.
Counter space in the kitchen is uncool? Well, I enjoy watching others work.
Okay, if while chopping vegetables or even breading schnitzel you keep staring at your boring pantry door instead of looking out into the garden, then think of me.
Counter space in the kitchen is uncool? Well, I enjoy watching others work.
Okay, if while chopping vegetables or even breading schnitzel you keep staring at your boring pantry door instead of looking out into the garden, then think of me.
Also, a counter wouldn’t be my choice either. Isn’t it from the early 2000s?
In the end, you and your wife have to envision yourselves there. There are many views here, and everyone has a different opinion. I personally wouldn’t have any issues with a door.
And a wall also offers other benefits, such as space for hanging dish towels, pinboards, or a calendar.
opalau schrieb:
We are having some difficulty seeing the problem here.
In the end, you and your wife have to envision yourselves there. There are many views here, and everyone has a different opinion. I personally wouldn’t have any issues with a door.
And a wall also offers other benefits, such as space for hanging dish towels, pinboards, or a calendar.
kaho674 schrieb:
Because you have a slope. That can easily add 50,000 to 100,000. Or has that changed by now? Have you already set aside extra money for it? Maybe that was overlooked in the discussion?But both are just the pure house price. Wouldn't the costs for the slope rather be part of the additional construction costs if building without a basement?
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