Dear forum community,
I am currently building a condominium with a developer. The apartment is located on the 2nd floor. There are no extensions, garages, projections, or similar features on my side of the multi-family building. There is a balcony facing the garden, moderately visible. Now I need to quickly decide how secure I want the windows to be.
RC2N for the balcony doors is already decided. RC2 is too expensive for me at 700 euros per door (2 doors in total). I am considering having the window installer apply burglary-resistant film afterward.
The main question: How secure should I make the other windows?
RC1 for all windows costs 243 euros.
RC2N for all windows costs 659 euros.
What would the experts recommend here? Is RC1 necessary, or is standard security (in this case one mushroom head lock) sufficient? Does RC2N still make sense on this floor? Or is RC2N something I should take anyway given the moderate additional cost?
Thanks and best regards
Dahejul
I am currently building a condominium with a developer. The apartment is located on the 2nd floor. There are no extensions, garages, projections, or similar features on my side of the multi-family building. There is a balcony facing the garden, moderately visible. Now I need to quickly decide how secure I want the windows to be.
RC2N for the balcony doors is already decided. RC2 is too expensive for me at 700 euros per door (2 doors in total). I am considering having the window installer apply burglary-resistant film afterward.
The main question: How secure should I make the other windows?
RC1 for all windows costs 243 euros.
RC2N for all windows costs 659 euros.
What would the experts recommend here? Is RC1 necessary, or is standard security (in this case one mushroom head lock) sufficient? Does RC2N still make sense on this floor? Or is RC2N something I should take anyway given the moderate additional cost?
Thanks and best regards
Dahejul
Rc1 is sufficient. Rc2n isn’t much better. You really need to go up to Rc2. However, since the windows are hard to reach, Rc1 should be enough. You can actually skip Rc2n on the door as well. The level of protection you need depends on your personal security requirements. As has been said many times, fear is a poor advisor. You seem to be very price-sensitive. In the overall scheme, this hardly makes a difference. I would either go for proper protection with Rc2 or Rc3, or just use Rc1 everywhere. A motion sensor light and possibly a camera monitoring the balcony’s glass facade will provide better deterrence.
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nordanney21 Sep 2019 12:25On the second floor, use only standard products. Whether windows or balconies.
You’re more likely to be struck by a coconut in the park than someone climbing up your facade to break in that complicated way.
Spend your hard-earned money on sensible things.
You’re more likely to be struck by a coconut in the park than someone climbing up your facade to break in that complicated way.
Spend your hard-earned money on sensible things.
Dahejul schrieb:
The apartment is located on the 2nd floor. There are no extensions, garages, projections, or similar structures (on my side of the multi-family house). Where does your remaining concern come from that a burglar might try to enter through your window?
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Thank you for your quick responses!
rick2018: I would be willing to spend more on security as long as it is reasonable and necessary. How would you equip the second floor without worrying about the cost? Standard, RC1, RC2N, or RC2?
nordanney: Thanks for your clear assessment! A realistic evaluation like this was exactly what I was looking for.
11ant: I’m not that worried. I simply can’t assess what is currently standard or, realistically and practically speaking, recommended and secure for the second floor. I’ve read online that "RC2N (or RC1) on the upper floor is sufficient" or from VdS that "in multi-family houses (...) windows and patio doors on the first two upper floors are the main targets of attacks." So I’m trying to understand what really makes sense based on practical experience.
More generally: Are the additional costs for RC1 and RC2N reasonable or overpriced? (Considering this is through a developer.)
I assume that a proper security level for the apartment entrance door is definitely advisable? It is planned here as RC2 with one locking point. I want to upgrade to an automatic mechanical locking system with two additional bolts at the top and bottom (Herholz model, sound insulation class 3). The additional cost for this would be 1,345 euros. That seems quite steep to me at first. How would you evaluate this price?
rick2018: I would be willing to spend more on security as long as it is reasonable and necessary. How would you equip the second floor without worrying about the cost? Standard, RC1, RC2N, or RC2?
nordanney: Thanks for your clear assessment! A realistic evaluation like this was exactly what I was looking for.
11ant: I’m not that worried. I simply can’t assess what is currently standard or, realistically and practically speaking, recommended and secure for the second floor. I’ve read online that "RC2N (or RC1) on the upper floor is sufficient" or from VdS that "in multi-family houses (...) windows and patio doors on the first two upper floors are the main targets of attacks." So I’m trying to understand what really makes sense based on practical experience.
More generally: Are the additional costs for RC1 and RC2N reasonable or overpriced? (Considering this is through a developer.)
I assume that a proper security level for the apartment entrance door is definitely advisable? It is planned here as RC2 with one locking point. I want to upgrade to an automatic mechanical locking system with two additional bolts at the top and bottom (Herholz model, sound insulation class 3). The additional cost for this would be 1,345 euros. That seems quite steep to me at first. How would you evaluate this price?
I share the same view as @nordanney. Since I’m not one of those cautious people and the apartment is in a multi-family building that is also difficult to access for burglars, I would stick with the standard.
I would opt for an RC2-rated front door as well. This is almost standard for entrance doors.
There are many options when it comes to locking mechanisms. A proper motorized lock can easily cost around €1000 (about $1100) installed. I consider this price increase quite realistic.
However, I wouldn’t need that in a multi-family building. Even if you combine it with an RFID reader or something similar, you still need to carry a key to enter the building.
So I prefer a good mechanical locking system.
It’s better to spend the money on other things.
Even if a break-in occurs, hopefully, you have insurance. Important items should be properly secured and/or duplicated.
I would opt for an RC2-rated front door as well. This is almost standard for entrance doors.
There are many options when it comes to locking mechanisms. A proper motorized lock can easily cost around €1000 (about $1100) installed. I consider this price increase quite realistic.
However, I wouldn’t need that in a multi-family building. Even if you combine it with an RFID reader or something similar, you still need to carry a key to enter the building.
So I prefer a good mechanical locking system.
It’s better to spend the money on other things.
Even if a break-in occurs, hopefully, you have insurance. Important items should be properly secured and/or duplicated.
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