ᐅ Electrical layout plan, second fix, bathroom tiles, knee wall (dwarf wall), floor-to-ceiling windows
Created on: 27 May 2016 10:23
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Our preferred provider also offers us a viewing of the selection samples with cost calculation before signing the contract; in addition, we are aiming for minor modifications to the plans.
We will definitely take advantage of the viewing opportunity and are very curious. I imagine that in such a selection center, the staff might also be influenced by recent events and that the discussions are naturally intended to maximize the provider’s profit.
That’s why we have already gone through several catalogs... trying to get a preliminary sense of what makes sense and where it is worth investing now. It’s alarming how expensive building has become. But we don’t want to focus solely on the numbers. Instead, we want to consider what constitutes a reasonable standard, for example in electrical installations, that is worth paying for, and what is unnecessary—what people are persuaded to buy but that ultimately does not really differ from the standard included in the fixed price.
Maybe you can share your experiences with certain options... I will attach the floor plan of the planned house later.
1. Electrical Planning
We find it difficult to assess what is really needed here. It seems wrong to skimp on outlets, but we can’t really judge how much an upgrade “should cost” or whether it makes sense to subcontract this trade. Google gave me very different price indications for outlet upgrades.
Example: The standard package includes 2 ceiling or wall outlets in the kitchen (assuming for lights), 8 outlets placed as desired, 5 double outlets placed as desired, 1 antenna socket, and 1 stove connection. The standard in a child’s room would be 1 ceiling outlet, 8 outlets placed as desired, 1 antenna socket, 1 telephone socket, and 1 smoke detector — 8 outlets sound good initially, but I assume the standard only covers the minimum and might not be sufficient.
The highest level of execution would provide:
Kitchen: 2 additional double outlets;
Child’s room: an additional 2 single outlets, 1 double outlet, and 1 LED night light.
We need to ask how much this upgrade costs. What do you think—does this upgrade make sense? Should there perhaps also be a triple outlet? For example, later under a desk... computer, desk lamp, printer...
2. Screed
The screed will be installed as a floating screed, with a choice between 5 or 6 cm (2 or 2.4 inches) thickness. We are laypeople and have no idea — does an extra centimeter really make a difference? In what way? Is it worth it?
3. Knee Wall
The knee wall is 1 m (3.3 feet) by standard. In our current rental apartment, we don’t have any sloped ceilings, and living without them is of course very comfortable. To reduce the shock and limitations, we are considering increasing the knee wall height. We can build two stories; that wouldn’t be a problem in terms of regulations. From your experience, is it very practical for everyday life to set the knee wall to 1.40 m (4.6 feet)? We find a gable roof the most attractive, but we could also build two full stories plus a gable roof... though that would certainly be significantly more expensive, right? What price range do you think such a redesign would fall into?
4. Bathroom Tiles
The standard includes tiles priced at €30 per sqm (approximately $30 per 11 sq ft), which we don’t like visually. We really like the ones priced at €40 per sqm (approximately $40 per 11 sq ft) and would choose those accordingly. Our bathroom floor area will be just under 16 sqm (172 sq ft), and we would like the side walls tiled up to at least 1.60 m (5.25 feet). Roughly estimated for tiles and labor, would around €1,000 be enough?
5. Floor-to-Ceiling Windows
We currently live in a very bright apartment and don’t want to accept noticeably less natural light here. We would therefore like to add 2 more floor-to-ceiling windows in the living room, as well as double sash windows with mullions in the master bedroom and the two children’s rooms. I fear this could be a very expensive upgrade. But more light is always worth it, right? What price range do you think this upgrade would fall into?
6. Interior Plaster
All living areas would have a 10 mm (0.4 inch) gypsum plaster applied with Q2 finish quality. We do not intend to paint directly on it or use very thin wallpapers; rather, we prefer “normal” textured wallpapers. Is Q2 finish sufficient for this, or should we opt for a higher quality plaster finish right away?
Thank you all!
We will definitely take advantage of the viewing opportunity and are very curious. I imagine that in such a selection center, the staff might also be influenced by recent events and that the discussions are naturally intended to maximize the provider’s profit.
That’s why we have already gone through several catalogs... trying to get a preliminary sense of what makes sense and where it is worth investing now. It’s alarming how expensive building has become. But we don’t want to focus solely on the numbers. Instead, we want to consider what constitutes a reasonable standard, for example in electrical installations, that is worth paying for, and what is unnecessary—what people are persuaded to buy but that ultimately does not really differ from the standard included in the fixed price.
Maybe you can share your experiences with certain options... I will attach the floor plan of the planned house later.
1. Electrical Planning
We find it difficult to assess what is really needed here. It seems wrong to skimp on outlets, but we can’t really judge how much an upgrade “should cost” or whether it makes sense to subcontract this trade. Google gave me very different price indications for outlet upgrades.
Example: The standard package includes 2 ceiling or wall outlets in the kitchen (assuming for lights), 8 outlets placed as desired, 5 double outlets placed as desired, 1 antenna socket, and 1 stove connection. The standard in a child’s room would be 1 ceiling outlet, 8 outlets placed as desired, 1 antenna socket, 1 telephone socket, and 1 smoke detector — 8 outlets sound good initially, but I assume the standard only covers the minimum and might not be sufficient.
The highest level of execution would provide:
Kitchen: 2 additional double outlets;
Child’s room: an additional 2 single outlets, 1 double outlet, and 1 LED night light.
We need to ask how much this upgrade costs. What do you think—does this upgrade make sense? Should there perhaps also be a triple outlet? For example, later under a desk... computer, desk lamp, printer...
2. Screed
The screed will be installed as a floating screed, with a choice between 5 or 6 cm (2 or 2.4 inches) thickness. We are laypeople and have no idea — does an extra centimeter really make a difference? In what way? Is it worth it?
3. Knee Wall
The knee wall is 1 m (3.3 feet) by standard. In our current rental apartment, we don’t have any sloped ceilings, and living without them is of course very comfortable. To reduce the shock and limitations, we are considering increasing the knee wall height. We can build two stories; that wouldn’t be a problem in terms of regulations. From your experience, is it very practical for everyday life to set the knee wall to 1.40 m (4.6 feet)? We find a gable roof the most attractive, but we could also build two full stories plus a gable roof... though that would certainly be significantly more expensive, right? What price range do you think such a redesign would fall into?
4. Bathroom Tiles
The standard includes tiles priced at €30 per sqm (approximately $30 per 11 sq ft), which we don’t like visually. We really like the ones priced at €40 per sqm (approximately $40 per 11 sq ft) and would choose those accordingly. Our bathroom floor area will be just under 16 sqm (172 sq ft), and we would like the side walls tiled up to at least 1.60 m (5.25 feet). Roughly estimated for tiles and labor, would around €1,000 be enough?
5. Floor-to-Ceiling Windows
We currently live in a very bright apartment and don’t want to accept noticeably less natural light here. We would therefore like to add 2 more floor-to-ceiling windows in the living room, as well as double sash windows with mullions in the master bedroom and the two children’s rooms. I fear this could be a very expensive upgrade. But more light is always worth it, right? What price range do you think this upgrade would fall into?
6. Interior Plaster
All living areas would have a 10 mm (0.4 inch) gypsum plaster applied with Q2 finish quality. We do not intend to paint directly on it or use very thin wallpapers; rather, we prefer “normal” textured wallpapers. Is Q2 finish sufficient for this, or should we opt for a higher quality plaster finish right away?
Thank you all!
tomtom79 schrieb:
I can just imagine how funny it will be at the bank! Yeah, I still need an extra 40,000–60,000 euros for the material selection.Do you need to be understood?
What don’t you understand!
Let me put it this way. How are you going to explain to the bank, after signing for a credit line of, say, 300,000, that you suddenly need more money than was originally agreed? Because the 120m² (1,292 sq ft) house with 5 windows and a 1m (3.3 ft) knee wall turned into two full floors with 10 floor-to-ceiling windows and real wood parquet flooring.
Let me put it this way. How are you going to explain to the bank, after signing for a credit line of, say, 300,000, that you suddenly need more money than was originally agreed? Because the 120m² (1,292 sq ft) house with 5 windows and a 1m (3.3 ft) knee wall turned into two full floors with 10 floor-to-ceiling windows and real wood parquet flooring.
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