Dear forum,
We are currently working on the floor plan with our architect and would appreciate any suggestions or information. Our plot is quite narrow, with a country lane on one side and a large, almost adjacent building—a farm—on the other side.
There is still an old four-sided farmstead on the property, which will be demolished as part of the new construction. On the site plan, all parts to be demolished are marked in yellow. The areas marked in purple will remain as a basement replacement and storage space. The approximate location of the new building is shown in red. We are basically building in the second row, which we like and have cleared with the building authority.
Here is our questionnaire:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: approx. 1000 sqm (10,764 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio
Floor area ratio
Building area, building line, and boundary: end of the building area aligned with neighboring house 11a
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: two in the carport
Number of floors
Roof type
Architectural style
Orientation
Maximum heights / boundaries
Other requirements: follow neighboring development, mainly gable roof houses with 1.5 to 2.5 floors
Homeowner requirements
Style, roof type, building type: gable roof without eaves
Basement, floors: no basement, two full floors
Number of people, age: 2 adults, 3 children (2 still planned)
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor: ground floor with large open living space, separate wardrobe, small office
Upper floor with three children's rooms, bedroom with walk-in closet, family bathroom
Office: family use or home office? Home office, only large desk, no shelves etc.
Overnight guests per year: max. 5
Open or closed layout: rather closed, staircase must be separate from the living area
Conservative or modern construction: a mix?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: line of tall cabinets plus large peninsula
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: preferred if it fits
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport preferably connected to the wardrobe
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, with reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
Laundry facilities should be on the ground floor with short access to outdoors, large wardrobe with separate entrance
House design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why?
Separate wardrobe and laundry area well designed, nice openness on the ground floor
What do you dislike? Why?
Bedroom facing south! Window in ground floor shower, children’s rooms could be a bit bigger
Estimated cost from architect/planner: house only €500,000
Personal price limit for house including equipment: €650,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to give up on any details or expansions:
- Could give up: hard to say
- Cannot give up: hard to say
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
Architect implemented our requirements
Maybe you see some major flaws we have overlooked or have ideas on how to improve the whole concept.
Thanks and best regards
Annie
We are currently working on the floor plan with our architect and would appreciate any suggestions or information. Our plot is quite narrow, with a country lane on one side and a large, almost adjacent building—a farm—on the other side.
There is still an old four-sided farmstead on the property, which will be demolished as part of the new construction. On the site plan, all parts to be demolished are marked in yellow. The areas marked in purple will remain as a basement replacement and storage space. The approximate location of the new building is shown in red. We are basically building in the second row, which we like and have cleared with the building authority.
Here is our questionnaire:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: approx. 1000 sqm (10,764 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio
Floor area ratio
Building area, building line, and boundary: end of the building area aligned with neighboring house 11a
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: two in the carport
Number of floors
Roof type
Architectural style
Orientation
Maximum heights / boundaries
Other requirements: follow neighboring development, mainly gable roof houses with 1.5 to 2.5 floors
Homeowner requirements
Style, roof type, building type: gable roof without eaves
Basement, floors: no basement, two full floors
Number of people, age: 2 adults, 3 children (2 still planned)
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor: ground floor with large open living space, separate wardrobe, small office
Upper floor with three children's rooms, bedroom with walk-in closet, family bathroom
Office: family use or home office? Home office, only large desk, no shelves etc.
Overnight guests per year: max. 5
Open or closed layout: rather closed, staircase must be separate from the living area
Conservative or modern construction: a mix?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: line of tall cabinets plus large peninsula
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: preferred if it fits
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport preferably connected to the wardrobe
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, with reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
Laundry facilities should be on the ground floor with short access to outdoors, large wardrobe with separate entrance
House design
Designed by:
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why?
Separate wardrobe and laundry area well designed, nice openness on the ground floor
What do you dislike? Why?
Bedroom facing south! Window in ground floor shower, children’s rooms could be a bit bigger
Estimated cost from architect/planner: house only €500,000
Personal price limit for house including equipment: €650,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you had to give up on any details or expansions:
- Could give up: hard to say
- Cannot give up: hard to say
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
Architect implemented our requirements
Maybe you see some major flaws we have overlooked or have ideas on how to improve the whole concept.
Thanks and best regards
Annie
Thanks for your contributions.
Okay, let’s agree that the door leading forward to the carport will be removed. Otherwise, I can’t really imagine a better layout for the extension – could someone sketch it out?
It would definitely be preferable for us if the niche for the washer/dryer were removed again, as it caused us sleepless nights upstairs.
If the staircase is moved 70cm (28 inches) to the left according to the plan, then our bedroom should be able to shift back to the north.
Regarding storage: the plan is to move rarely used items (such as partially used paint cans) to the barn. There will also be cupboards for seasonal decorations there. The barn is dry and built like a cellar. Supplies, vacuum cleaners, and so forth should then be stored in the pantry.
The utility room is really only for the building services. I asked twice, and according to the architect, it should work. But I will have it drawn in for confirmation!
There is no ventilation system. Corner windows are generally desired but were apparently lost in the latest revision. We didn’t want a window in the pantry because there will be a freezer placed there.
I am attaching the previous draft of the upper floor (the house was still somewhat larger then). We liked the layout of the rooms better at that stage.
Okay, let’s agree that the door leading forward to the carport will be removed. Otherwise, I can’t really imagine a better layout for the extension – could someone sketch it out?
It would definitely be preferable for us if the niche for the washer/dryer were removed again, as it caused us sleepless nights upstairs.
If the staircase is moved 70cm (28 inches) to the left according to the plan, then our bedroom should be able to shift back to the north.
Regarding storage: the plan is to move rarely used items (such as partially used paint cans) to the barn. There will also be cupboards for seasonal decorations there. The barn is dry and built like a cellar. Supplies, vacuum cleaners, and so forth should then be stored in the pantry.
The utility room is really only for the building services. I asked twice, and according to the architect, it should work. But I will have it drawn in for confirmation!
There is no ventilation system. Corner windows are generally desired but were apparently lost in the latest revision. We didn’t want a window in the pantry because there will be a freezer placed there.
I am attaching the previous draft of the upper floor (the house was still somewhat larger then). We liked the layout of the rooms better at that stage.
Edit: Compared to the previous floor plan for the upper floor, the staircase and bathroom would, of course, be swapped.
Also, as an addition to the last post: I see the laundry issue as a problem as well. In summer, it’s fine since I can quickly hang clothes outside. But in winter, I don’t have a proper place to hang them indoors. However, no ironing is done here.
Also, as an addition to the last post: I see the laundry issue as a problem as well. In summer, it’s fine since I can quickly hang clothes outside. But in winter, I don’t have a proper place to hang them indoors. However, no ironing is done here.
AnniePH schrieb:
I’m attaching the previous design for the upper floor here (the house was still a bit larger then). We liked the room layout better in that version. What was the reason for this downsizing? It probably wasn’t the cost, since the wrap-around extension stayed in.
AnniePH schrieb:
The utility room is really just for the building services. I would prefer to call it the “control cabinet” here.
AnniePH schrieb:
But nothing gets ironed here. I still bet my better half will soon put an end to this bachelor habit of mine.
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The top area has remained almost unchanged.
You could still refine it for another three weeks – this is just a rough idea of how it could look (please consider it as a sketch).
Shoes and bags – there could still be space to park a stroller here, before three school backpacks and sports bags need to be placed somewhere else.
The guest toilet will get a window above the toilet, and the utility room might also have a patio door if the washing machine is located there.
The wardrobe cabinets are 1.50 and 2.50 meters (5 feet and 8 feet 2 inches) long.
You could still refine it for another three weeks – this is just a rough idea of how it could look (please consider it as a sketch).
Shoes and bags – there could still be space to park a stroller here, before three school backpacks and sports bags need to be placed somewhere else.
The guest toilet will get a window above the toilet, and the utility room might also have a patio door if the washing machine is located there.
The wardrobe cabinets are 1.50 and 2.50 meters (5 feet and 8 feet 2 inches) long.
Allthewayup schrieb:
You definitely need to give up the walk-in closet. Why exactly? What benefit would that bring here?
Allthewayup schrieb:
Where the wardrobe is now, create an 8–9 m² (86–97 sq ft) office. Expand the utility room to 10 m² (108 sq ft) to make space for laundry there. Where and how do you want to expand it to 10 m² (108 sq ft)? Could you share a sketch?
Allthewayup schrieb:
Slightly reduce the current office and convert it into a hallway. Design the ground floor bathroom to be age-appropriate with a walk-in (curbless) shower (I believe that is already planned) and also make it a bit larger so a small cabinet can fit for towels, toilet paper, cleaning supplies, etc. I would also be interested to see the sketch, especially showing the cabinet in the guest bathroom.
AnniePH schrieb:
It would definitely be in our interest if the niche for the washer/dryer were removed, as it caused us sleepless nights upstairs. The only parties involved in the discussion on the stakeholder side are you, and on the design service side the architect. So who is introducing something that causes you sleepless nights?
Especially in the upper floor, which is planned as the master floor. If this is not properly settled, it also ruins the resulting ground floor. Which brings us back to my questioning of the corner extension. Or rather, I dare to suggest it’s not a result of the space budget, but a gimmick from the wish list (I’m reading the corner windows as a clue). I will gladly repeat my general point that concerns about buildings being not clever enough are unfounded. No house becomes fatally unattractive just because you leave out the red leather mini car. In your case, the setup "front garden / barn / house far in the back" alone is enough to stand out noticeably. So just the "front-house-less back house" by itself is unique — even if it were a simple box.
The “modern” planning approach, dealing with variant discussions at the design stage rather than the preliminary design stage, is a mistake that popularity does not make better. Starting off “in third gear” is a flawed development!
K a t j a schrieb:
Where and how do you intend to gain 10 square meters here? Sketch?
[...] I’d also be interested in the sketch, especially the cupboard in the guest WC. I agree.
K a t j a schrieb:
Why and what exactly would this achieve here? I would also lean toward a traditional bedroom here. Burdening the space budget with a separate room that isn’t overlooked by cupboard doors, thereby reducing the bedroom to a storage chamber for a double bed limited to about 1,000 furnishing variants, does not seem desirable to me. Especially since it does not actually achieve undisturbed sleep for the longer sleeper — so it’s all cost and no benefit.
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