ᐅ Renovation of guest toilet (1.65 sqm) and bathroom (4.88 sqm)

Created on: 18 Apr 2020 16:58
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dankon7gookoel
Hello everyone, this is my first post in this great forum. Until now, we (two adults, a 1-year-old, and a 3-year-old) have always rented a place with 80 sqm (860 sq ft). Now we have bought a 4-room apartment of 85 sqm (915 sq ft), built in the 1960s, on the right bank of the Rhine in Cologne.

So far, very little has been done in the apartment and it has just been gutted. We need new vinyl flooring with baseboards, completely new electrical installation with RCD (residual current device) and Cat7 cabling, new bathrooms (very small, which I believe is typical for the building period), new tiles, and also new plaster and wallpaper, and so on... We will keep the IKEA kitchen, which will only get a new tile backsplash.

The biggest “construction project” is the bathroom: I’ll share our plans and thoughts here. I hope you’ll join in and comment.

The first plumber we spoke to only wanted to sell us items from his stock of sanitary components (is that the right term?), and that came to about 10,000 euros without the soil pipes. But all the parts were from the company Sanibel and some looked really bad — especially the toilet. The price markups here were about 3/4 to 1.5 times.

We now have a different plumber who confirmed he would also help us, for example by ordering stock items directly from Megabad. Here are the two projects: guest WC

Renovation of the guest WC (1.22m x 1.36m = 1.65 sqm / 4 ft x 4.5 ft = 17.7 sq ft)

  • Possible instant water heater? (This requires a high-power electrical connection, which is expensive and probably unnecessary, according to my partner... I’m unsure if it would improve usability and the resale value of the apartment in case we find a better place or a house.)
  • Small washbasin, preferably with a vanity cabinet (round or rectangular, depending on which fits better in the space — e.g., Godmorgon from Ikea? versus Geberit Icon with something underneath or wall-mounted)
  • Toilet, preferably a wall-hung close-coupled toilet with concealed cistern (Geberit or similar, flush plates like Sigma 01, which we have in our current rented apartment)
  • Possibly a small towel radiator, 45 cm wide, less than 1 m high, if it fits
  • Omit wall tiles? But then the area around the recessed in-wall cistern might look odd, probably

2D floor plan with hallway and bathroom, measurements 1.31 m x 1.20 m


And this is what it currently looks like:

Small WC with peeling yellow wall paint, washbasin and toilet, exposed pipes.


For the small bathroom, there’s also the idea of moving the door to open outward towards the front door. This wouldn’t cause much disturbance and would mean we wouldn’t have to consider the door swing inside the bathroom. The question is whether this would gain us significantly more space to plan differently or if it wouldn’t make much of a difference. The bathroom is very small anyway; here is the current status.

Bathroom renovation (by shifting the wall: 3.05m x 1.6m = 4.88 sqm / 10 ft x 5.25 ft = 52.5 sq ft)

  • Instant water heater
  • Large shower bath (about 1.70m x 75 cm) (5 ft 7 in x 30 in) with splash guard wall versus a large bathtub with later add-ons... I’m unclear if shower baths are really worth the extra cost.
  • Large washbasin (Geberit Icon, Ideal Standard, or similar)
  • Long, wide towel radiator next to the door (75 cm x at least 112 cm) (30 in x 44 in)
  • Tile backsplash 1.20 m (4 ft) or slightly higher around the bathtub

Bathroom floor plan with bathtub, washbasin and toilet in 2D layout


And this is how it looks now:

Renovation area with radiator, open wall and exposed masonry.


Interior under construction with open wall, loose bricks and hanging light fixture.


Unplastered bathroom wall with bricks, plaster remnants, cables and sanitary pipes.


What do you think of our plans? Where should I give this more thought? Do you have a similar city apartment and have planned similar renovations? (Honestly, I don’t even know where to start; as I said, we are renovating EVERYTHING except the windows and other common property. The bathroom and the tiles are currently the most urgent. I thought I’d post here.)

I’d be happy to hear your opinions and suggestions. Although it’s only 5 sqm (54 sq ft) and 1.5 sqm (16 sq ft), we want to use it for four people. Do you have ideas for good fittings?

Oh, and including renewal of the apartment’s plumbing parts, we don’t want to spend more than 20,000 euros (plumbing installation / tiles / screed replacement in the bathroom / pipe renewal in the building)… that should be doable, right? I’m a rookie and hope I can start a discussion here about our plans and everything related to this.
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nordanney
19 Apr 2020 09:44
dankon7gookoel schrieb:

The suggestion with the small tankless water heater might be an option, although I suspect that such a device could require more maintenance. In any case, we will need to consider this when planning the outlets in the guest bathroom.
There is no maintenance involved. It either works or it doesn’t. It’s the same as the larger version—just much cheaper.
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dankon7gookoel
19 Apr 2020 17:50
kbt09 schrieb:

Well, I actually find it quite practical to have the toilet where I want to shower because often you need to quickly use the bathroom first.

For the 305 x 160 cm (10 ft x 5 ft 3 in) area, I would start from the top of the plan with

a 90 cm (35 inch) wide shower, then a 90 cm (35 inch) wide and 10 cm (4 inch) deep shower partition. That leaves a 70 cm (28 inch) passage on the right side into the shower, which you can close with a shower curtain or an inward-opening shower door on the right if there’s too much splash.

Then a 120 cm (47 inch) wide washbasin with vanity unit, for example Godmorgon.

That leaves 85 cm (33 inch) for the toilet.

Ideally, the bathroom door should open outwards and towards the bottom of the plan.

Thank you very much, that’s a great suggestion and sounds really good. Oh dear, funny enough we have just agreed again that we do want to install a bathtub after all.. This one will be installed crosswise and measure 1.70 x 75 cm (5 ft 7 in x 30 inch).

We do enjoy bathing too much. We’ll upload the revised plan here tomorrow.

Have a nice Sunday!
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dankon7gookoel
20 Apr 2020 09:39
Hello, here is our new dimensioned plan. Length 3.04 meters (10 feet), width 1.67 meters (5.5 feet), so a 160 cm (63 inch) one should fit here, right?
Otherwise, we could create a lot of storage space under (2). However, the Geberit Icon series is too expensive for us, even though it looks nice. Possibly Ikea or a home improvement store.

The bathtub (1) should be 1.60 meters (63 inches) steel and as large as possible; there is quite a selection on the usual online stores.

Grundriss eines Badezimmers: Badewanne oben, gelber Waschtisch unten links, graue Fliesen.


Regarding the guest bathroom, we are considering whether to box in a concealed cistern or to use a Geberit/competitor wall-hung system. I need to discuss this with our prospective plumber.

Thank you very much so far; your opinions are very helpful.
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Scout
20 Apr 2020 11:18
For the guest bathroom, I would consider a small storage water heater, which can also fit under a small washbasin and operates on 230 volts, for example, the AEG 236 284. Five liters (1.3 gallons) of hot water is more than enough for two hand washes, and it refills after just a few minutes. At 70 euros for a replacement, it’s an obvious choice.
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Scout
20 Apr 2020 11:23
And regarding the topic of shower and bathtub, there are also nice combined solutions available; something like this should work
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Pinky030120 Apr 2020 13:04
You should definitely try a 160 cm (63 inches) bathtub sometime. I don't think that's really that big, is it?