ᐅ Floor plan of a semi-detached house with a single-sloped roof and balcony terrace – Feedback
Created on: 9 Sep 2022 16:11
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Hitokiri-1978
Hello,
so... good things come to those who wait? We have chosen a prefab house supplier, and soon we have the planning appointment with the architect. I must admit, due to many negative experiences, I don’t expect much from showing our floor plan sketches, but who knows, maybe someone will come up with a good idea. We’ll see. I’m mentally prepared for a “brutally honest” critique 😀 But go ahead... it all just rolls off me 😀 So... fire away!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 230 sqm (2,474 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio ??
Floor area ratio ??
Building window, building line, and boundary according to the development plan
Edge development: a green strip with a sidewalk, otherwise only paved roads and public parking spaces
Number of parking spaces: 2 (garage located west of the house)
Number of floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor, attic
Roof style: shed roof
Architectural style: modern, classic
Orientation of deep gutter: slope to north-northeast, 12° pitch
Maximum heights/limits: low side 8.50 m (28 ft), high side 10.30 m (34 ft)
Additional requirements: extension on the south side as a balcony, with full living space underneath; must have a visual separation (color and slight offset)
Homeowners' Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: classic, modern; roof and type fixed by development plan; semi-detached house
Basement, floors: fully basement according to development plan
Number of people, ages: currently 3 (second child planned), man + woman + toddler: approx. 40, approx. 35, under 5 years
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: as much as possible
Office: for family use or home office? both, primarily as office
Guest bedrooms per year: less than 1
Open or closed architecture, semi-open?
Conservative or modern construction? ???
Open kitchen, island? closed kitchen with two kitchen workwalls
Number of dining seats: 6–8
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: yes, not too large, 6.7 m x 2.5 m (22 ft x 8 ft); possibly the south wall upper floor will be offset 1 m (3 ft) into the balcony, then the balcony would still be 6.7 x 1.5 m (22 x 5 ft)
Garage, carport: yes + one parking space
Utility garden, greenhouse: enough space for a grill and a towel, that’s about it; also a terrace with garden furniture
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons for or against certain features:
Definitely a straight staircase (due to space requirements the spiral staircase is out), therefore a landing staircase 1 m (3 ft) wide. South and west-facing windows should have awnings in addition to electric roller blinds on all windows (shading!). An aquarium should fit on the ground floor (approx. 120 x 40 x 50 cm (47 x 16 x 20 in)). Photovoltaic system with battery, air-to-water heat pump.
House Design
Origin of the design: from my wife and me
-Planner from a construction company
-Architect
-Do-it-yourself
What do you like most? Why? Everything we wanted is included; on the upper floor there is a playroom in the northwest for me with space for a racing cockpit and TV; office, bedroom, children’s room, kitchen, living room, and bathrooms are well accommodated; hopefully enough light but not too much.
What don’t you like? Why? Unfortunately not a detached house, almost no vegetation around, just fields, new grass, and freshly planted saplings. Just a new development area.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 480,000 + 30,000 own work + 90,000 (basement + excavation + 24,000 photovoltaic + battery + 70,000 additional costs) = 694,000
Personal maximum budget for house, including fittings: 700,000
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump with underfloor heating and ventilation with cooling function: Tecalor
If You Have to Give Up on which details/extensions
-can you give up: a silly green roof on the flat roof of the garage (and trash area), possibly replaced by solar panels there; a floor-level shower with glass door; glass sliding door on the ground floor to the terrace; some windows without electric blinds; the aquarium??; light bulbs instead of lamps :/ hardly anything else can be reduced.
-can’t you give up: the bed 😀 there is no expensive nonsense, landing staircase, basement, photovoltaic system because of the heating.
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, from us
Which requests were implemented by the architect? We will see when the time comes
A mix of many examples from various magazines...?
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion? It makes the most of the available space; no spot goes unused. The bathroom in the attic is currently a bit awkward because it can only be accessed through the office. The reason is that we plan to have a second child with a side bed, but that won’t last forever, and then we might have to reposition the parents’ bed. We are not really happy with this layout yet.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Originally, we set the wall thicknesses much too thin in Roomsketcher (the program used to create the sketches). After adjustment, we had to redesign everything, including the stairwell location. We have not yet planned the basement for the new design since the architect appointment is soon anyway.
Also, the bathroom door’s layout and position are not ideal; we might still swap the office and the master bedroom. The idea was to avoid the home office getting too much afternoon sun and overheating. The same applies to the bedroom; you don’t want to go to sleep in a heat trap in the evening.
The basement will no longer be built as planned; the external stairs have already been scrapped. Only the general layout will remain roughly the same.





so... good things come to those who wait? We have chosen a prefab house supplier, and soon we have the planning appointment with the architect. I must admit, due to many negative experiences, I don’t expect much from showing our floor plan sketches, but who knows, maybe someone will come up with a good idea. We’ll see. I’m mentally prepared for a “brutally honest” critique 😀 But go ahead... it all just rolls off me 😀 So... fire away!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 230 sqm (2,474 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio ??
Floor area ratio ??
Building window, building line, and boundary according to the development plan
Edge development: a green strip with a sidewalk, otherwise only paved roads and public parking spaces
Number of parking spaces: 2 (garage located west of the house)
Number of floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor, attic
Roof style: shed roof
Architectural style: modern, classic
Orientation of deep gutter: slope to north-northeast, 12° pitch
Maximum heights/limits: low side 8.50 m (28 ft), high side 10.30 m (34 ft)
Additional requirements: extension on the south side as a balcony, with full living space underneath; must have a visual separation (color and slight offset)
Homeowners' Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: classic, modern; roof and type fixed by development plan; semi-detached house
Basement, floors: fully basement according to development plan
Number of people, ages: currently 3 (second child planned), man + woman + toddler: approx. 40, approx. 35, under 5 years
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: as much as possible
Office: for family use or home office? both, primarily as office
Guest bedrooms per year: less than 1
Open or closed architecture, semi-open?
Conservative or modern construction? ???
Open kitchen, island? closed kitchen with two kitchen workwalls
Number of dining seats: 6–8
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: yes, not too large, 6.7 m x 2.5 m (22 ft x 8 ft); possibly the south wall upper floor will be offset 1 m (3 ft) into the balcony, then the balcony would still be 6.7 x 1.5 m (22 x 5 ft)
Garage, carport: yes + one parking space
Utility garden, greenhouse: enough space for a grill and a towel, that’s about it; also a terrace with garden furniture
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons for or against certain features:
Definitely a straight staircase (due to space requirements the spiral staircase is out), therefore a landing staircase 1 m (3 ft) wide. South and west-facing windows should have awnings in addition to electric roller blinds on all windows (shading!). An aquarium should fit on the ground floor (approx. 120 x 40 x 50 cm (47 x 16 x 20 in)). Photovoltaic system with battery, air-to-water heat pump.
House Design
Origin of the design: from my wife and me
-Planner from a construction company
-Architect
-Do-it-yourself
What do you like most? Why? Everything we wanted is included; on the upper floor there is a playroom in the northwest for me with space for a racing cockpit and TV; office, bedroom, children’s room, kitchen, living room, and bathrooms are well accommodated; hopefully enough light but not too much.
What don’t you like? Why? Unfortunately not a detached house, almost no vegetation around, just fields, new grass, and freshly planted saplings. Just a new development area.
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: 480,000 + 30,000 own work + 90,000 (basement + excavation + 24,000 photovoltaic + battery + 70,000 additional costs) = 694,000
Personal maximum budget for house, including fittings: 700,000
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump with underfloor heating and ventilation with cooling function: Tecalor
If You Have to Give Up on which details/extensions
-can you give up: a silly green roof on the flat roof of the garage (and trash area), possibly replaced by solar panels there; a floor-level shower with glass door; glass sliding door on the ground floor to the terrace; some windows without electric blinds; the aquarium??; light bulbs instead of lamps :/ hardly anything else can be reduced.
-can’t you give up: the bed 😀 there is no expensive nonsense, landing staircase, basement, photovoltaic system because of the heating.
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, from us
Which requests were implemented by the architect? We will see when the time comes
A mix of many examples from various magazines...?
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion? It makes the most of the available space; no spot goes unused. The bathroom in the attic is currently a bit awkward because it can only be accessed through the office. The reason is that we plan to have a second child with a side bed, but that won’t last forever, and then we might have to reposition the parents’ bed. We are not really happy with this layout yet.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Originally, we set the wall thicknesses much too thin in Roomsketcher (the program used to create the sketches). After adjustment, we had to redesign everything, including the stairwell location. We have not yet planned the basement for the new design since the architect appointment is soon anyway.
Also, the bathroom door’s layout and position are not ideal; we might still swap the office and the master bedroom. The idea was to avoid the home office getting too much afternoon sun and overheating. The same applies to the bedroom; you don’t want to go to sleep in a heat trap in the evening.
The basement will no longer be built as planned; the external stairs have already been scrapped. Only the general layout will remain roughly the same.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
We have a prefab house provider, and soon we have a planning appointment with the architect. That’s promising.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
I have to admit, because of many negative experiences, I don’t expect much from showing our floor plan sketches, but who knows, maybe someone will come up with a good idea after all... I’m preparing myself for a “merciless, brutal” critique 😀 But go ahead… it all just bounces off me 😀 There’s nothing to tear apart. This isn’t up for discussion. Make a room layout or a wish list for each floor in writing as a list, maybe also use the questionnaire from here as support, and then take that to the architect and let them do the work – preferably at first without much interference or trying to draw anything yourself. Then come back with the result and then...
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
We’ll see. 🙂
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
But go ahead... everything just rolls off me 😀 So... fire away!This forum is not a boxing ring!H
Hitokiri-19789 Sep 2022 20:13kbt09 schrieb:
So, how wide is the plot exactly? 17.5 m (57 feet), or what? So, 3.5 m (11.5 feet) for the garage width? Will it be a prefabricated unit, or will the outer wall of the house also be used? And does it have to be a garage? If you mean the short side facing the street by width, no, it’s 10 m (33 feet) wide. The length is about 23 m (75 feet) on average (not exactly rectangular towards the field path). So that leaves 3 m (10 feet) for the garage.
I briefly looked at some prefab garage offers, and one steel garage with an exterior door and a window was around 7,000 euros. However, you would already need to have a foundation. That cost would be additional.
kbt09 schrieb:
Basement outside stairs… lawn mower? Bikes? Have you given thought to that? The basement outside stairs are off the table.
Lawn mower… well, I think my son’s little manual grass shears will be enough here 😀 Seriously though, with such a hand mower, I’ll be done in two minutes on this tiny garden. I would have liked one of those robotic mowers, but that would be totally oversized.
Yeah, bikes are a topic: We’re allowed to build a garden shed of a maximum of 8 sqm (86 sq ft). Maybe we’ll just do a kind of DIY bike shelter at the end of the garage leading into the garden. We’ll see; it’s not a pressing issue right now.
kbt09 schrieb:
And since you get along so well at the office, couldn’t that also become a gaming station in the evenings and on weekends? Why such a small extra room? My wife doesn’t play on the PS4 ^^ So the “extra room” is just for me! Nice and tucked away on the side, so I can turn up the sound system properly. I don’t have to struggle to pull out the cockpit or rearrange everything in the living room; I can just start playing right away! That’s something I’m really looking forward to 🙂
K a t j a schrieb:
There’s nothing to argue about here. It’s not up for discussion. Make a room plan—or a wish list for each floor—in writing, maybe also use the questionnaire from here for support, then take it to the architect and have them do it—best to do so without too much back and forth or trying to draw anything yourself. Then come back with the result and then... 😀 Brilliant! Like Dieter Bohlen once said, “that was great… great crap!”. That’s exactly the kind of comment I meant. Maybe it’s sensible (and we already did that months ago), but it’s delivered with a sledgehammer. K a t j a schrieb:
… take it to the architect and have them do it—best to do so without too much back and forth or trying to draw anything yourself. Then come back with the result and then… Exactly, because as the paying customer I obviously have no say and would just disrupt the sacred architect’s genius creative process with my simple suggestions 😀
I mean, I did diligently fill out the questionnaire as you can see at the very beginning. With that knowledge and the dimensions, you should easily be able to come up with many better layouts than I can. I’m genuinely curious how anyone could optimize three floors of roughly 7 x 11 m (23 x 36 feet) floor area any further.
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
😀 Wonderful! Like Dieter Bohlen once said, “that was great... great crap!” Exactly the kind of comments I meant. Maybe they make sense content-wise (and we already did that months ago), but they were delivered way too forcefully.I meant it completely friendly and honestly. Apparently, you have some need to vent. I don’t know if this forum is the right place for that. We’re just piecing things together here quite peacefully...Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
With that knowledge and those dimensions, you should easily be able to come up with a much better floor plan than I did. I’m really curious how you could get more out of about 7x11m (23x36 feet) of floor space over 3 stories.Probably—and I don’t mean that arrogantly. You have the architect meeting. You’re paying them to put your wishes on paper. Why stress yourself over it? It’s unnecessary.Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
Exactly, because as a paying client I have no say and would only disturb the sacred architect in their brilliant creative process with my simple-minded comments.Especially if you want value as a paying client, you shouldn’t turn an architect into a draftsman!https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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Well, it’s your floor plan … but it’s really not good. You can already see that from the ground floor plan. Although it has no dimensions, just look at the kitchen—where is the cloakroom? Your living room area appears to be about 280cm (110 inches) wide at its narrowest point … what kind of furniture is all placed in there?
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Then plan that properly and draw it out … a garage with an external dimension of 3m (10 feet) … you won’t be able to get any bikes through, so why have a garage?
Your bathroom in the attic … it seems to be about 180cm (71 inches) wide … and you want to fit a bathtub opposite the toilet … that requires a partition wall … then I want to see how you’ll still access the shower.
That should be enough to sufficiently support @K a t j a’s statement
Then
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
Number of parking spaces 2 (garage located on the west side of the house)
and
Hitokiri-1978 schrieb:
We’re allowed to build a garden shed of max. 8 sqm (86 sq ft). Maybe we’ll just make some kind of DIY bike shelter at the end of the garage leading into the garden. We’ll see, it’s currently not a relevant topic.
Then plan that properly and draw it out … a garage with an external dimension of 3m (10 feet) … you won’t be able to get any bikes through, so why have a garage?
Your bathroom in the attic … it seems to be about 180cm (71 inches) wide … and you want to fit a bathtub opposite the toilet … that requires a partition wall … then I want to see how you’ll still access the shower.
That should be enough to sufficiently support @K a t j a’s statement
K a t j a schrieb:😉 😉
There’s nothing to critique. This is not up for discussion.
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