ᐅ Gas Prices – Where Is Gas Still Affordable?

Back to the topic: all this gas stuff is getting on my nerves. Many jobs depend on it, entire production chains. Saving energy is important, but without jobs, debates about 18 or 20 degrees Celsius (64 or 68 degrees Fahrenheit) room temperature are irrelevant. For many, even 18 degrees Celsius (64 degrees Fahrenheit) is already unaffordable. We need energy security.

haydee schrieb:

Back to the topic, the whole gas situation is hitting me hard. A lot of jobs depend on it, entire production chains. Yes, saving energy is important, but without jobs, discussions about 18 or 20 degrees Celsius (64 or 68°F) room temperature are irrelevant. For many, even 18 degrees Celsius (64°F) is already unaffordable. We need energy security.

Me too, even if I am probably only indirectly affected. Very difficult and socially challenging times are ahead of us—unfortunately. Still, I firmly believe that with significant effort, we could mitigate this. We need to act NOW, and across the board. That means: speed limits IMMEDIATELY, reducing meat consumption (by what means?), ramping up renewable energy as much as possible, and implementing all feasible measures. Ideally all at the same time. And of course, the actions of every individual matter as well.

I would say directly affected. My suppliers can no longer deliver, so that's it. First, orders cannot be fulfilled, then no more orders come in because my customers run out of money.

Marvinius schrieb:

Photovoltaic systems produce zero kWh every night. 😉 And then there’s also something like a windless period. Yes, calm wind conditions can occur overnight. 😉 Or in winter, during a multi-week period of “dark doldrums.”
This makes it clear to everyone that solar and wind power cannot provide baseload electricity, at least not in the foreseeable future.
Biogas plants can, of course, run continuously and produce electricity all the time, but are all those maize monocultures really sensible?
Maybe a mix of biogas, hydropower, and nuclear energy would be a reasonable solution...

So the answer to the question is never... especially not when considering the European context.

Without protein-rich food, such as fish, meat, and sausages, a person will die. The immune system is made up of proteins. I don’t understand why meat is considered unhealthy. I enjoy eating meat and sometimes even more than usual.

Discussions about vegetarian diets are pointless. Blaming animal agriculture for the climate change that doesn’t even exist is very narrow-minded.

Strangely, it doesn’t seem to matter ecologically whether we import clean and cheap gas through a pipeline from Russia or transport it in large overseas tankers from America. Whether hundreds of cruise ships and thousands of holiday flights harm the climate more than individual car traffic. Or whether coal ships bring coal from Australia instead of trains from Russia.

If the entire business model of the West depends on cheap products from Asia and the transportation effort is greater than anything else, do apples really have to be on the shelves in early September from New Zealand while they’re rotting on the trees here?

But if a cow farts, then no more meat, please. How crazy are you actually?

MDZ Hausbau schrieb:

Without protein-rich food, meaning fish, meat, and sausage, a person would die. The immune system is made up of proteins. Therefore, I don’t understand why meat is considered unhealthy. I enjoy eating meat and sometimes even a bit more.

Discussions about vegetarian diets are pointless. Blaming animal agriculture for the climate change that doesn’t even exist is very narrow-minded.

Strangely, it makes no ecological difference whether we import clean and cheap gas through a pipeline from Russia or transport it by large ocean tankers from America. Whether hundreds of cruise ships and thousands of holiday flights harm the climate more than individual car traffic. Or whether coal ships bring coal from Australia instead of trains from Russia.

If the entire Western business model is based on cheap products from Asia, and transportation efforts are higher than anything else, then do apples really need to be in stores in early September from New Zealand while they rot on the trees here?

But if a cow farts, then suddenly no more meat should be eaten. How crazy is that, really.

How much longer are PeterPohlmann / Durran … allowed to continue spreading their nonsense here under various alias accounts? I have already criticized this once, and my post was locked and my contributions monitored afterward. Dear moderators, please be consistent here as well.