ᐅ Gas Prices – Where Is Gas Still Affordable?

Created on: 14 Jul 2022 09:22
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Reinhard84.2
Good morning,

I just received a steep price increase from my energy provider enercity, raising the cost to 15 cents per kWh starting in August. That’s really tough, and I think prices will rise even further.

It’s a strange feeling to be thrown back so quickly into an energy supply situation where you have to figure out how to keep the house warm. It seems to me that the government has given up on the goal of enabling everyone to adequately cover at least their basic needs.

Goodbye central supply structures; now the winner is whoever has solar panels and a heat pump in their new build, while the others are left out.

Welcome back, coal heating 😕

Frustrated regards,
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Marvinius
14 Jul 2022 21:38
The fact is, we currently have two electricity generation systems: the non-baseload and only very limitedly storable "renewables" and the fossil fuel reserve capacities. Since renewable sources can sometimes produce 0.0 kWh over several days or weeks in winter, the fossil fuel reserve must cover 100% of the electricity demand. This inevitably means that electricity will always be at least twice as expensive here as in a country that relies on only one, but baseload-capable, generation system. And if you look at it from the end perspective, renewables are actually just expensive and completely unnecessary for the paying consumer, but a real goldmine for subsidy recipients (!!!Renewable Energy Act surcharge!!!, which, after being abolished, is now less conspicuous but funded by tax money).

The fossil fuel reserve capacity must be highly flexible to balance the strong fluctuations in power generation from renewables. Gas power plants meet this requirement very well, coal power plants less so, and nuclear power plants hardly at all. This is—apart from ideological blindness—the main reason why the Green Party so vehemently opposes extending the operating life of the last three nuclear power plants, as doing so would significantly underline the redundancy of renewables.

In reality, the "GERMAN ENERGY TRANSITION" has been driven into a dead end by supply issues with gas, but here it just takes a bit longer for everyone to realize this.
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Steven
14 Jul 2022 21:58
Deliverer schrieb:

, because we need too many fossil fuels and they are very expensive,

Hello Deliverer

I’ll explain it step by step:
Fossil fuels are so expensive because the government has raised taxes and fees to very high levels.
One liter of gasoline costs about 1 euro before taxes and fees (this already includes raw material costs, profit margin, transport costs, etc.). The rest is what the government adds intentionally.
Electricity costs significantly more because subsidies for renewable energy sources are paid from that. And, of course, there are taxes and fees as well.

Steven
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Steven
14 Jul 2022 22:03
Deliverer schrieb:

One side blames the CDU, the other perhaps partly the Greens. U

And continuing in the text:

It is true that Mrs. Merkel, bowing to the Greens, drastically cut Germany’s secure energy supply.
The only clean, safe, and cost-effective energy comes from nuclear power plants. Germany was a leader in this field. It has been completely destroyed, with all the obvious consequences we now see.
How many countries in the world avoid nuclear and fossil energy and rely entirely on renewables? Exactly one: Germany. But we’ve heard that before: "The world will be saved by the German way."

Steven
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Marvinius
14 Jul 2022 22:19
And geopolitically, an absolute nightmare has developed for Germany.

For raw materials and components needed for "renewables," we are dependent on China (rare earth elements, solar panels), and for gas, the necessary fossil reserve capacity, on Russia.

This is simply the most foolish policy in a long time. It is probably actively promoted by people who are on Vladimir's or Xi's payroll. With Gas-Gerd, we know for sure, others are probably more cautious.
SumsumBiene14 Jul 2022 22:19
Calling nuclear power safe is quite amusing.
Where I agree with you is that Germany often takes the lead, even if they are initially the only ones. This is not necessarily a bad trait.
Reinhard84.2 schrieb:

Unfortunately, I have the latter, now just under 400.


How much do you consume?

We had to sign a new contract in March at 16 cents/kWh, with a 24-month price guarantee. I hope that first the other prices, which are still significantly lower, will be adjusted.
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Steven
14 Jul 2022 22:20
Deliverer schrieb:

And what does the war have to do with climate change?
And finally:
Climate change! I clearly remember the scare about “forest dieback.” For about 30 years now, despite these warnings, there has been no forest loss.
Then came the ozone hole, which supposedly would kill us all.
In 2000, a major tabloid claimed: by 2013, the Earth would be uninhabitable.
And now we have the terrible climate change that’s supposed to wipe us all out. And only Germany seems to understand it. That’s why we have to lecture all the other countries.
Although, I can’t be too harsh with you.
I am from an older generation. In my youth, the world population was about 5 billion. Now it’s around 8.5 billion. In the foreseeable future, it could reach 15 billion. Resources are not unlimited. That should be the focus.
But instead, we fixate on one gas that makes up 0.04% of the atmosphere and which humanity (all humans) influences by 5%. The world population does not emit any more than that.
And finally, about the war: a country that supplies weapons to a party in a war is involved in the conflict. (The history of the Vietnam War is very interesting in this regard.) Of course, Germany also has soldiers in Ukraine. Trainers are needed.
It’s a dangerous balancing act.
One question: who do the Greens want to send to battle? Gay generals or gender-diverse soldiers? Believe me, we currently don’t have a combat-ready army. In two or three weeks, we’d be exhausted. And the USA will use Europe as a testing ground for its weapons.
The experiment called Germany has failed for the Greens. The population has to pay the price.
A good acquaintance has no idea how she will pay her energy bill for her rental apartment. And many millions of German residents are in the same situation.

Steven