Hello everyone!
The drywall installers will be finished soon, and after the tilers, we can focus on painting and flooring work. Accordingly, we’ve requested a quote. Unfortunately, it is well above our budget (over 16,000€). The quote includes covering and masking work, priming, filling and sanding, and paint fleece.
We now want to skip the paint fleece, as a perfectly smooth surface is not that important to us and the cost is quite high. But even without this item, we are still looking at over 10,000€. The filling and sanding work is also quite expensive. We could probably save those costs if we apply textured wallpaper (Raufasertapete) on the Q2 walls, right, or am I mistaken?
What other options are there? We have Q2 plaster. We know it’s not recommended to paint directly on this surface. However, our expectations for the finish are not very high. We are not fans of wallpaper, so eventually we just want to be able to paint on our own.
What exactly speaks against simply painting our Q2 walls? (Of course, we would sand and fill them beforehand.)
Thanks for your answers!
The drywall installers will be finished soon, and after the tilers, we can focus on painting and flooring work. Accordingly, we’ve requested a quote. Unfortunately, it is well above our budget (over 16,000€). The quote includes covering and masking work, priming, filling and sanding, and paint fleece.
We now want to skip the paint fleece, as a perfectly smooth surface is not that important to us and the cost is quite high. But even without this item, we are still looking at over 10,000€. The filling and sanding work is also quite expensive. We could probably save those costs if we apply textured wallpaper (Raufasertapete) on the Q2 walls, right, or am I mistaken?
What other options are there? We have Q2 plaster. We know it’s not recommended to paint directly on this surface. However, our expectations for the finish are not very high. We are not fans of wallpaper, so eventually we just want to be able to paint on our own.
What exactly speaks against simply painting our Q2 walls? (Of course, we would sand and fill them beforehand.)
Thanks for your answers!
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Ypsi aus NI10 Jun 2022 08:30Personally, I would strongly advise against it. We tried it once and received offers from various contractors...
Especially when it comes to painting, I wouldn’t recommend applying wallpaper yourself unless you have done it many times before.
Filling and sanding is no problem. Applying textured (woodchip) wallpaper is still manageable, but a smooth non-woven wallpaper? It might stick to the walls, but the ceiling? For someone inexperienced? I believe it would cause a lot of frustration... And I say this as a hobby wallpapering expert.
We are also having parts of our house professionally painted: 250m² (2690 sq ft) of ceiling area including sloping sections, and 120m² (1290 sq ft) of wall surface in the gallery. The quotes ranged from 7,000 to 12,000. The scope included:
- Filling, sanding, priming, applying non-woven wallpaper, painting ceilings white, and sealing edges with acrylic
- Filling, sanding, priming, and applying patterned wallpaper to the walls
At first, it sounds very expensive, but the painter is fully occupied for a whole month. How long would it take us to do this privately? Especially since ceilings with increased room height are really challenging, not to mention the gallery with scaffolding…
Especially when it comes to painting, I wouldn’t recommend applying wallpaper yourself unless you have done it many times before.
Filling and sanding is no problem. Applying textured (woodchip) wallpaper is still manageable, but a smooth non-woven wallpaper? It might stick to the walls, but the ceiling? For someone inexperienced? I believe it would cause a lot of frustration... And I say this as a hobby wallpapering expert.
We are also having parts of our house professionally painted: 250m² (2690 sq ft) of ceiling area including sloping sections, and 120m² (1290 sq ft) of wall surface in the gallery. The quotes ranged from 7,000 to 12,000. The scope included:
- Filling, sanding, priming, applying non-woven wallpaper, painting ceilings white, and sealing edges with acrylic
- Filling, sanding, priming, and applying patterned wallpaper to the walls
At first, it sounds very expensive, but the painter is fully occupied for a whole month. How long would it take us to do this privately? Especially since ceilings with increased room height are really challenging, not to mention the gallery with scaffolding…
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Neubau202210 Jun 2022 08:50Ypsi aus NI schrieb:
Personally, I would not recommend it. We tried it once and got quotes from all sorts of people...
Especially when it comes to painting, I wouldn’t hang the wallpaper myself unless I’ve done it many times.
Filling and sanding is no problem. Hanging textured wallpaper (like woodchip) is still manageable, but smooth non-woven wallpaper? It might work on walls, but on the ceiling? For beginners? I think you’ll just get frustrated... And I say this as a hobby wallpaper pro.
We are also having part of our house painted: 250m2 (2,690 sq ft) of ceiling area including slopes, and 120m2 (1,290 sq ft) of gallery wall area. The quotes ranged from 7,000 to 12,000 (currency not specified):
- Filling, sanding, priming all ceilings, covering them with non-woven wallpaper, painting white, and sealing edges with acrylic
- Filling, sanding, priming all walls, and hanging patterned wallpaper
Sounds expensive at first, but the painter will be working full-time for a whole month. How long would it take us privately? Especially since ceilings with higher ceilings are really challenging, not to mention the gallery with scaffolding... A whole month for the work? Are you sure? I’d guess a maximum of 2 weeks. With two painters, more like just over one week. How long will it take us if the whole house is filled, covered with paintable wallpaper, and painted twice? 3 months? 😎
If you want to paint directly onto Q2, the overall result will probably look rather rough and have a garage-like feel. For living spaces, that wouldn’t work for me.
Here, we wallpapered textured wallpaper over lightly sanded Q2, and we wouldn’t do that again.
Rooms with heavy texture look okay, but in some areas we used wallpaper with a lighter texture (non-woven fiber), and where the wallpaper is thinner it looks poor. Especially on the ceilings. You notice every unevenness in the plaster much more clearly than before, because the wallpaper kind of tents over them.
Overall, based on our experience, I’ve come to the conclusion that you can’t avoid sanding to at least Q3 if you want it to look reasonably good. Sure, you can live with it, no doubt, but if you look at it over time it does become quite bothersome.
Here, we wallpapered textured wallpaper over lightly sanded Q2, and we wouldn’t do that again.
Rooms with heavy texture look okay, but in some areas we used wallpaper with a lighter texture (non-woven fiber), and where the wallpaper is thinner it looks poor. Especially on the ceilings. You notice every unevenness in the plaster much more clearly than before, because the wallpaper kind of tents over them.
Overall, based on our experience, I’ve come to the conclusion that you can’t avoid sanding to at least Q3 if you want it to look reasonably good. Sure, you can live with it, no doubt, but if you look at it over time it does become quite bothersome.
Neubau2022 schrieb:
One month for the work? Are you sure? I would expect a maximum of 2 weeks. With two painters, it would probably be just over a week. We have a similar size 125m² (1345 sq ft) bungalow,
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painting company invoiced
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Neubau202210 Jun 2022 08:57kati1337 schrieb:
If you want to paint directly over Q2, the overall look will probably be quite rough / like a garage finish. For living spaces, that wouldn’t work for me.
Here, we wallpapered textured wallpaper onto (lightly sanded) Q2 and wouldn’t do that again.
Rooms with strong texture look okay, but in some places we chose wallpaper with a lighter texture (non-woven fiberglass), and where the wallpaper is thinner, it already looks poor. Especially on the ceilings. You notice every unevenness under the plaster much more clearly because the wallpaper stretches like a kind of tent over it.
Overall, based on our experience, I’ve concluded that sanding (at least to Q3) is unavoidable if you want it to look reasonably good. Of course, you can live with it, but after a while, it really bothers you. If this is directed at me: We’re having everything skimmed, sanded, and painter’s fleece applied everywhere (except the walls in the bathroom). Then it will be painted twice, and ceiling and baseboards will be installed. Our quality level is closer to Q3 than Q2. The Turkish team already managed to get a very smooth finish with the lime gypsum plaster.
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