Hello everyone,
A brief preliminary note:
The desire to build a house has existed for some time. I have been intensively researching this complex topic (including smart home technology) for about 2 to 3 months now. The approximate building plot is identified but not yet finalized, as the city still needs to establish a zoning plan there. Currently, the city is waiting for the soil test results.
Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to answer all the questions from the pinned post yet, since nothing is definite — except that my wife and I want to build an urban villa of about 180-200 m² (1,940-2,150 sq ft) with an attached (double) garage.
When planning the floor layout, the living room and kitchen area is proving to be very challenging.
We do not want an open kitchen because, first, we don’t want cooking odors in the living room, and second, we want to watch TV calmly in the living room even when someone is cooking in the kitchen. So, the following plan is not suitable for us:
left: U-shaped sofa with TV and surround sound system
center: fireplace and dining table
right: kitchen
However, the plan gives a rough idea of the proportions and space requirements.
(I have roughly estimated the fireplace and the necessary clearance around it.)
The dining table should normally seat 4 people and be extendable to at least 8 for guests.
The kitchen does not have to be U-shaped. A kitchen island is not desired.
A patio door is desired from either the kitchen or dining area.
I tried to insert a partial wall with a large sliding door between the dining table and sofa, but this is not possible due to the fireplace’s position.
Maybe someone here has struggled with the same or similar conditions.
Best regards,
Dennis
A brief preliminary note:
The desire to build a house has existed for some time. I have been intensively researching this complex topic (including smart home technology) for about 2 to 3 months now. The approximate building plot is identified but not yet finalized, as the city still needs to establish a zoning plan there. Currently, the city is waiting for the soil test results.
Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to answer all the questions from the pinned post yet, since nothing is definite — except that my wife and I want to build an urban villa of about 180-200 m² (1,940-2,150 sq ft) with an attached (double) garage.
When planning the floor layout, the living room and kitchen area is proving to be very challenging.
We do not want an open kitchen because, first, we don’t want cooking odors in the living room, and second, we want to watch TV calmly in the living room even when someone is cooking in the kitchen. So, the following plan is not suitable for us:
left: U-shaped sofa with TV and surround sound system
center: fireplace and dining table
right: kitchen
However, the plan gives a rough idea of the proportions and space requirements.
(I have roughly estimated the fireplace and the necessary clearance around it.)
The dining table should normally seat 4 people and be extendable to at least 8 for guests.
The kitchen does not have to be U-shaped. A kitchen island is not desired.
A patio door is desired from either the kitchen or dining area.
I tried to insert a partial wall with a large sliding door between the dining table and sofa, but this is not possible due to the fireplace’s position.
Maybe someone here has struggled with the same or similar conditions.
Best regards,
Dennis
denz. schrieb:
(Street of course on the shorter side)
Certainly, things may change over time, but I can only base my assumptions on what I know now and what I consider likely.Of course... how could we ever doubt that 😉
Twice I... but you are asking us. Those who know nothing except that there is no plan yet.
denz. schrieb:
Everything is certainly correct, but not necessarily applicable to my case.How should we know that? Everyone considers themselves an exception 😉
denz. schrieb:
I thought the described conditions were sufficient for the problem outlined,No.
Let’s assume there are restrictions on the plot, for example the utility room must be connected at the front or the building envelope is relatively narrow.
The wife wants the kitchen facing the street, so it may happen that the rooms have a different layout within the house.
We are open to sketches and plans, sometimes even to pipe dreams, but you are showing us furniture, not rooms 🙂
Climbee schrieb:
1200sqm (13000 sq ft)???
Wow! Are you both working full-time? Then you must both be garden enthusiasts?Yes and no (not yet). 😉
I grew up in a village and my parents have a very large plot (>2500sqm (27000 sq ft)).
Therefore, I’m not a fan of 500sqm (5400 sq ft) lots where the neighbor can hear you sneeze.
We don’t want to build a house just to have one, but mainly to have our own space around it.
Climbee schrieb:
The building footprint should be large enough to have enough space for a desired wall, and the chimney will not be an issue either.Certainly, but the house doesn’t need to be unnecessarily big. We are both working, but we’re not exactly rolling in money either. ^^Climbee schrieb:
It does make sense to first wait for the exact building envelope to know what floor area you have available for the living room/kitchen and how it’s distributed. Anything else is just guessing, and that’s not my hobby.
There is a difference whether the footprint is 17x12m (56x39 ft), 19x10m (62x33 ft), or only 12x7m (39x23 ft)..As I said, the plot will be big enough. So I don’t think there will be any issues, or do they restrict the building envelope to only 20x10m (66x33 ft) on a 2-hectare (5-acre) plot as well? I thought the building envelope mainly depends on how small the plot is, plus ensuring enough free space to the neighbors and respecting the building line—that is, the alignment of the other houses.
ypg schrieb:
Of course... how could we have doubted it 😉
Twice I... but you ask us. Those who know nothing except that there is no plan yet.
How should we know? Everyone sees themselves as the exception 😉
As I said, I believe I have described everything relevant to the question. I wasn’t concerned with the entire floor plan, etc.
I rather feel that everything else was questioned first, but the actual question was barely addressed. It’s true, there were some good comments, but no solution proposals for the question at hand. I hope you don’t take this the wrong way, but that’s how it seems to me.
ypg schrieb:
No.
Let’s assume there are restrictions on the property, for example the technical room has to be connected at the front Does that actually exist? I wasn’t aware of that.
ypg schrieb:
But she wants the kitchen facing the street That doesn’t really matter in relation to the question. It was solely about the arrangement of the living room, kitchen including dining area and the fireplace relative to each other. How that fits with the rest (rotating/mirroring etc.) is another matter.
ypg schrieb:
but you show us furniture, not rooms 🙂Yes, because as I said, I couldn’t come up with a solution. The drawing was only meant so you could see which furniture has to be accommodated, so the scale and proportions are clear.
Still, many thanks for the advice so far.
denz. schrieb:
It was solely about the arrangement of the living room, kitchen including dining table, and fireplace in relation to each other. How that then fits together with the restYou don’t understand.
The layout of the rooms can be completely different if, for example, requirements or windows and building boundaries on the narrow side of your plot don’t allow it to be as you currently imagine.
The rest, as you call it, is actually the basis for everything in this case. The arrangement of the rooms must be considered as a whole.
It’s the same as if I asked you what engine specifications my new car should have, but I didn’t reveal the brand or know my driving habits and the routes I’ll have to take, because I’m changing jobs.
denz. schrieb:
Yes, as I said, I didn’t come to any solution. I wonder why 🙄?
ypg schrieb:
You don’t understand. The arrangement of the rooms can be completely different?I’ve understood that now. But I want to and should start with the floor plan. Since everything else depends on it as well (especially regarding the smart home). And it’s clear that many things will change during the planning phase. As I said, you have to start somewhere.
ypg schrieb:
The arrangement of the rooms has to be considered as a whole.In the end, yes, but you have to start somewhere. Since we spend most of the time in the rooms in question, I prefer to design all other rooms around these two or plan them accordingly.No way... Some things really surprise you ;-) If what you’ve drawn is supposed to be arranged even somewhat logically, you’ll need an interior width of about 11 to 12 meters (36 to 39 feet)... I’m talking about the interior width.
And there are many more concepts… For example, living as one room and dining/cooking as a second room, because once the food is brought to the table, the dining area inevitably smells like the food 😉.
So if you consider living and dining/cooking as two separate spaces, you could, for instance, equip them with a fireplace integrated into the dividing wall, and so on.
But without a site plan and more data, you can’t just create a “room” like that and push around partition walls. Really *shaking my head*.
And there are many more concepts… For example, living as one room and dining/cooking as a second room, because once the food is brought to the table, the dining area inevitably smells like the food 😉.
So if you consider living and dining/cooking as two separate spaces, you could, for instance, equip them with a fireplace integrated into the dividing wall, and so on.
But without a site plan and more data, you can’t just create a “room” like that and push around partition walls. Really *shaking my head*.
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