ᐅ Is it possible to have a gas boiler without a solar system?
Created on: 11 Jan 2016 15:24
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futtinger
Hello,
we are currently building a solid masonry house with 36.5 Poroton blocks, a gas boiler, no external insulation, and no ventilation system.
Therefore, we do not meet any KfW requirements. The building permit / planning permission includes a solar panel system. Since I am not a fan of solar panels and would like to save around €5000, I am trying to avoid installing it. Is there a way around this? To comply with the energy saving ordinance, the system is basically required. However, my architect said that no one actually checks whether the system is installed or not. We would prepare all the necessary wiring, and if someone really notices the absence of the system, it could still be installed at short notice. Is there any problem with this approach?
I have already spoken with other "experts." Some said there would be no problem, others warned of a potential fine... the building authority would not check, but the chimney sweep might... then I asked the chimney sweep, and he said he wouldn’t check either...
So I am not really sure where I stand. Of course, I don’t want to skip the system and then, in 10 years, have to pay a hefty fine because it was checked somewhere.
Now I could really tear myself and my architect apart.
we are currently building a solid masonry house with 36.5 Poroton blocks, a gas boiler, no external insulation, and no ventilation system.
Therefore, we do not meet any KfW requirements. The building permit / planning permission includes a solar panel system. Since I am not a fan of solar panels and would like to save around €5000, I am trying to avoid installing it. Is there a way around this? To comply with the energy saving ordinance, the system is basically required. However, my architect said that no one actually checks whether the system is installed or not. We would prepare all the necessary wiring, and if someone really notices the absence of the system, it could still be installed at short notice. Is there any problem with this approach?
I have already spoken with other "experts." Some said there would be no problem, others warned of a potential fine... the building authority would not check, but the chimney sweep might... then I asked the chimney sweep, and he said he wouldn’t check either...
So I am not really sure where I stand. Of course, I don’t want to skip the system and then, in 10 years, have to pay a hefty fine because it was checked somewhere.
Now I could really tear myself and my architect apart.
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Bieber081511 Jan 2016 21:03lastdrop schrieb:
In our case, the building authority did check compliance with the energy saving regulations. Was this done based on the submitted plans or after completion during an on-site visit? Did you allow them inside your house?
As wpic already mentioned, the proof must be submitted afterwards. In our case, it was provided through the general contractor’s calculation and confirmation with my signature.
We received the written request from the building authority three years after the first owners had moved in.
We received the written request from the building authority three years after the first owners had moved in.
@TE: In reality, nothing will probably happen if you simply don’t install a solar system. The building authority will hopefully have more important things to do than to check such a minor issue. Only if you have a nitpicky neighbor or a self-appointed local inspector who spends their free time monitoring whether neighbors properly separate their waste or if maybe a small piece of paper ended up in your recycling bag, could you run into trouble. Unfortunately, such people are quite common...
Just a random thought: If I understand correctly, chimney sweeper inspections usually only check the proper operation, exhaust gas temperatures, and emissions of the actual heating system. So if you were to just slap a solar thermal dummy on the roof, you might actually move out of the legal gray area toward legality...?
In that case, you would have installed a solar thermal system. There isn’t really any requirement for the system to function properly, right? You are still allowed to deactivate the circulation pump of your functioning solar thermal system and thus take it out of operation.
It’s less complicated to just bite the bullet and waste the money on the solar thermal system. Since you need to plan the piping and the bivalent storage tank anyway, the cost is probably closer to 3000 euros rather than 5000.
Best regards,
Andreas
Just a random thought: If I understand correctly, chimney sweeper inspections usually only check the proper operation, exhaust gas temperatures, and emissions of the actual heating system. So if you were to just slap a solar thermal dummy on the roof, you might actually move out of the legal gray area toward legality...?
In that case, you would have installed a solar thermal system. There isn’t really any requirement for the system to function properly, right? You are still allowed to deactivate the circulation pump of your functioning solar thermal system and thus take it out of operation.
It’s less complicated to just bite the bullet and waste the money on the solar thermal system. Since you need to plan the piping and the bivalent storage tank anyway, the cost is probably closer to 3000 euros rather than 5000.
Best regards,
Andreas
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Bauexperte11 Jan 2016 21:36andimann schrieb:
So, if you really just nail a solar thermal dummy to the roof ...If it weren’t for the annoying proof requirements to show compliance with the Energy Saving Ordinance / Renewable Energies Heat Act ....Regards, Bauexperte
By the way, there is another thread about the 85% rule (gas boiler without solar thermal system, achieved by undershooting the energy saving ordinance limits by 15%): https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Gasheizung-ohne-Solarthermie.11898/
andimann schrieb:
@TE: In reality, probably nothing will happen if you simply don’t install a solar system. The building authority will hopefully have more important things to do than check such a minor issue. Only if you have a really overzealous neighbor who spends their free time monitoring whether others separate their waste correctly or if maybe a scrap of paper ended up in your recycling bin, could you face a problem. Unfortunately, there are quite a few people like that....Hmm – in our case, the building authority walked through the development area and inspected several things. This even led to one homeowner being instructed to completely remove and reinstall their roof because the roof overhang was too large. Whether they managed to avoid this or perhaps had it converted into a fine, I don’t know – but the building authority is not as careless or oblivious as some might like to believe.
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