ᐅ Is it possible to have a gas boiler without a solar system?
Created on: 11 Jan 2016 15:24
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futtinger
Hello,
we are currently building a solid masonry house with 36.5 Poroton blocks, a gas boiler, no external insulation, and no ventilation system.
Therefore, we do not meet any KfW requirements. The building permit / planning permission includes a solar panel system. Since I am not a fan of solar panels and would like to save around €5000, I am trying to avoid installing it. Is there a way around this? To comply with the energy saving ordinance, the system is basically required. However, my architect said that no one actually checks whether the system is installed or not. We would prepare all the necessary wiring, and if someone really notices the absence of the system, it could still be installed at short notice. Is there any problem with this approach?
I have already spoken with other "experts." Some said there would be no problem, others warned of a potential fine... the building authority would not check, but the chimney sweep might... then I asked the chimney sweep, and he said he wouldn’t check either...
So I am not really sure where I stand. Of course, I don’t want to skip the system and then, in 10 years, have to pay a hefty fine because it was checked somewhere.
Now I could really tear myself and my architect apart.
we are currently building a solid masonry house with 36.5 Poroton blocks, a gas boiler, no external insulation, and no ventilation system.
Therefore, we do not meet any KfW requirements. The building permit / planning permission includes a solar panel system. Since I am not a fan of solar panels and would like to save around €5000, I am trying to avoid installing it. Is there a way around this? To comply with the energy saving ordinance, the system is basically required. However, my architect said that no one actually checks whether the system is installed or not. We would prepare all the necessary wiring, and if someone really notices the absence of the system, it could still be installed at short notice. Is there any problem with this approach?
I have already spoken with other "experts." Some said there would be no problem, others warned of a potential fine... the building authority would not check, but the chimney sweep might... then I asked the chimney sweep, and he said he wouldn’t check either...
So I am not really sure where I stand. Of course, I don’t want to skip the system and then, in 10 years, have to pay a hefty fine because it was checked somewhere.
Now I could really tear myself and my architect apart.
@futtinger, you’re exactly expressing what I feel. I’ve been living in a gray area for years, not paying the broadcasting fee. I just don’t accept having rules forced on me. But of course, I have the application tucked away because if the inspector shows up, I won’t show remorse—I’ll simply say I was about to register.
I handle waste disposal similarly. Are they crazy to charge such high fees? I now have a 20-liter (5-gallon) bin, which obviously isn’t enough for a family... I send my husband out at night to take out the trash—where he takes it doesn’t concern me. Probably into the forest, but I don’t care since I don’t use it.
I support you in outsmarting the regulations, mocking the silly official who stamped the approval on your building permit / planning permission for your house construction. And mocking us, who comply with the energy-saving regulations.
Best regards
I handle waste disposal similarly. Are they crazy to charge such high fees? I now have a 20-liter (5-gallon) bin, which obviously isn’t enough for a family... I send my husband out at night to take out the trash—where he takes it doesn’t concern me. Probably into the forest, but I don’t care since I don’t use it.
I support you in outsmarting the regulations, mocking the silly official who stamped the approval on your building permit / planning permission for your house construction. And mocking us, who comply with the energy-saving regulations.
Best regards
I was recently in the same situation as you and questioned the use of the solar thermal system (ST) for my planned construction. With our house, we would achieve the KfW 70 standard. Now, the architect has done some research, and we can completely do without the ST. I am not submitting a KfW 70 application, giving up the slightly better interest rate, but saving about €8,000 (approx. 8,000) in additional costs due to 1. the solar thermal system with hot water and heating support, 2. lower costs for the energy consultant, and 3. a smaller hot water tank (300 liters (79 gallons) instead of 900 liters (237 gallons)) without compound interest.
Building expert and musketeer, I don’t understand your issue?! A forum is meant for exchanging experiences and information! Just because this topic obviously doesn’t sit well with musketeer and you lack the (unnecessary) insight from futtinger, it would be, in my opinion, ridiculous to close the thread! As I wrote in the previous post, futtinger’s approach is absolutely feasible and meets the energy saving regulation requirements! Since I am building with the same materials and heating method as futtinger and had a conversation with the architect just last week, I know your accusations are unfounded, so please calm down!
@D3N7S
You are mixing things up. You are leaving out the thermal insulation (ST) and therefore do not meet the KfW requirements. However, your house still complies with the Energy Saving Ordinance standards. The KfW 70 status is currently voluntary.
He wants to omit the thermal insulation and would not meet the Energy Saving Ordinance standards. That is mandatory.
Then someone else comes along and wants to skip all insulation measures, and another wants to install a lignite stove in every room. Where is this going?
You are mixing things up. You are leaving out the thermal insulation (ST) and therefore do not meet the KfW requirements. However, your house still complies with the Energy Saving Ordinance standards. The KfW 70 status is currently voluntary.
He wants to omit the thermal insulation and would not meet the Energy Saving Ordinance standards. That is mandatory.
Then someone else comes along and wants to skip all insulation measures, and another wants to install a lignite stove in every room. Where is this going?
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futtinger14 Jan 2016 08:56I do not want to forgo the energy saving regulations but rather the solar system. My initial question was whether it is still possible to comply with the energy saving regulations given my construction factors (no ventilation system, no external insulation, etc.).
@D3N7S
How did you manage to meet the requirements regardless?
@D3N7S
How did you manage to meet the requirements regardless?
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