ᐅ Is it possible to have a gas boiler without a solar system?
Created on: 11 Jan 2016 15:24
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futtinger
Hello,
we are currently building a solid masonry house with 36.5 Poroton blocks, a gas boiler, no external insulation, and no ventilation system.
Therefore, we do not meet any KfW requirements. The building permit / planning permission includes a solar panel system. Since I am not a fan of solar panels and would like to save around €5000, I am trying to avoid installing it. Is there a way around this? To comply with the energy saving ordinance, the system is basically required. However, my architect said that no one actually checks whether the system is installed or not. We would prepare all the necessary wiring, and if someone really notices the absence of the system, it could still be installed at short notice. Is there any problem with this approach?
I have already spoken with other "experts." Some said there would be no problem, others warned of a potential fine... the building authority would not check, but the chimney sweep might... then I asked the chimney sweep, and he said he wouldn’t check either...
So I am not really sure where I stand. Of course, I don’t want to skip the system and then, in 10 years, have to pay a hefty fine because it was checked somewhere.
Now I could really tear myself and my architect apart.
we are currently building a solid masonry house with 36.5 Poroton blocks, a gas boiler, no external insulation, and no ventilation system.
Therefore, we do not meet any KfW requirements. The building permit / planning permission includes a solar panel system. Since I am not a fan of solar panels and would like to save around €5000, I am trying to avoid installing it. Is there a way around this? To comply with the energy saving ordinance, the system is basically required. However, my architect said that no one actually checks whether the system is installed or not. We would prepare all the necessary wiring, and if someone really notices the absence of the system, it could still be installed at short notice. Is there any problem with this approach?
I have already spoken with other "experts." Some said there would be no problem, others warned of a potential fine... the building authority would not check, but the chimney sweep might... then I asked the chimney sweep, and he said he wouldn’t check either...
So I am not really sure where I stand. Of course, I don’t want to skip the system and then, in 10 years, have to pay a hefty fine because it was checked somewhere.
Now I could really tear myself and my architect apart.
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futtinger14 Jan 2016 13:29Yvonne, what problem do you have?
If I meet the energy saving regulation by using enhanced insulation practices and can therefore waive the thermal bridge treatment... where is the fraud?
Likewise, if the architect designs the structure and the building authority approves it... where is the fraud?
@andimann
I have installed T 10
If I meet the energy saving regulation by using enhanced insulation practices and can therefore waive the thermal bridge treatment... where is the fraud?
Likewise, if the architect designs the structure and the building authority approves it... where is the fraud?
@andimann
I have installed T 10
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futtinger14 Jan 2016 14:00A standard pellet stove that is not water-connected probably does not play a role in the calculation, right?
Phew, you’re definitely overestimating my knowledge of energy saving regulations. I’ve only skimmed the calculation rules. I recall that a stove is included in the calculations because it’s assumed to be used. (And that means it releases a lot of dirt and fine dust into the air. But that’s “good” dirt, compared to the nearly completely pollutant-free exhaust of a gas heater. That’s by definition “bad” dirt…. Lord, send some brains from above).
I don’t think it makes a difference whether there is a water jacket or not. But this is all just guessing. Your energy saving regulation expert needs to do the calculations—there’s no quick estimation here. Even with a 0.25 U-value wall, I can’t imagine you’d somehow reach 85%, but who knows? Calculations are necessary!
Regards,
Andreas
I don’t think it makes a difference whether there is a water jacket or not. But this is all just guessing. Your energy saving regulation expert needs to do the calculations—there’s no quick estimation here. Even with a 0.25 U-value wall, I can’t imagine you’d somehow reach 85%, but who knows? Calculations are necessary!
Regards,
Andreas
futtinger schrieb:
If I comply with the energy saving regulations through improved insulation practices and can therefore waive the heating system, where is the fraud?As far as I remember, you never mentioned improved insulation options at all, but only spoke about higher costs that you don’t want to incur and are hoping no one will check.
futtinger schrieb:
I have already spoken with other "experts." Some said it’s not a problem, others warned a penalty might apply... the building authority (building permit/planning permission office) wouldn’t check, but the chimney inspector would... then I asked him... he said he wouldn’t check either...My two cents: a pre-installation for a retrofit plus current insulation that compensates the required 15% is even more expensive than installing a solar thermal system right away.
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Bieber081514 Jan 2016 21:20The information provided in bits and pieces here does not clarify the situation. Have someone calculate everything thoroughly and provide them with all the necessary information. Then, get advice on the different options. This will probably cost money, but at least you will know what is necessary and what is feasible.
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