Hello!
Our construction started about 2.5 weeks ago, and we are currently planning the electrical system. We are wondering how to install internet in the house.
About the house:
The house is built using solid construction methods from Viebrockhaus. Radio waves barely pass through the ceiling between the ground floor (GF) and the upper floor (UF). On the UF, the interior walls are drywall with metal elements, which also blocks radio waves significantly.
For the ground floor:
We want to set up Wi-Fi with the router located in the utility room. This should provide coverage throughout the entire ground floor and help reduce electromagnetic pollution to some extent.
For the upper floor:
This question is more complex. We lean toward a LAN solution to minimize electromagnetic pollution.
Option 1: Run LAN cables through the empty conduits from the utility room to each room on the upper floor.
Option 2: Use powerline adapters (network over the electrical wiring).
-> We tend to choose the second option because there are more power outlets than LAN ports in each room. It is also somewhat cheaper, though the price difference is minor in a project of this scale.
What do you think? Will this solution work without problems, or are there limitations? Have you had any experience with this?
Thank you very much for your input.
Our construction started about 2.5 weeks ago, and we are currently planning the electrical system. We are wondering how to install internet in the house.
About the house:
The house is built using solid construction methods from Viebrockhaus. Radio waves barely pass through the ceiling between the ground floor (GF) and the upper floor (UF). On the UF, the interior walls are drywall with metal elements, which also blocks radio waves significantly.
For the ground floor:
We want to set up Wi-Fi with the router located in the utility room. This should provide coverage throughout the entire ground floor and help reduce electromagnetic pollution to some extent.
For the upper floor:
This question is more complex. We lean toward a LAN solution to minimize electromagnetic pollution.
Option 1: Run LAN cables through the empty conduits from the utility room to each room on the upper floor.
Option 2: Use powerline adapters (network over the electrical wiring).
-> We tend to choose the second option because there are more power outlets than LAN ports in each room. It is also somewhat cheaper, though the price difference is minor in a project of this scale.
What do you think? Will this solution work without problems, or are there limitations? Have you had any experience with this?
Thank you very much for your input.
markus270324 Oct 2016 08:40Steffen80 schrieb:
Powerline networking is only a reasonable backup solution when nothing else works and really has no place in new builds. You’ll never get decent speeds… for your fake HD Entertain that might still be okay, but with proper HD bitrate and quality audio (Dolby Atmos etc.) you’ll experience seriously choppy video. And that’s not even talking about 4K. It gets even worse with 8K because copper-based solutions reach their limits. We’re laying a conduit to the living room to install fiber optic cable there later.And that’s exactly the difference why Powerline works perfectly fine for some people (like me) but maybe not for others. My "fake HD Entertain" is more than enough on my 42-inch (107 cm) TV, and my Powerline adapter easily handles the 50 Mbit/s arriving on my DSL line. It can go up to 300 Mbit/s, though I know it probably won’t quite reach that.
If higher speeds are needed later, I can just buy different adapters — it’s harder once a cable is already installed.
Another thought: I had a LAN outlet installed in the kid’s room, choosing the spot as best as I could. Years later, the child’s desk is placed on the exact opposite side of the room — making LAN tricky since electrical outlets are usually found on every side of a room.
But everyone has to decide that for themselves — for us, it just wasn’t worth the effort.
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Peanuts7424 Oct 2016 08:45Galaxie schrieb:
Why Access Points instead of Repeaters?
Our main concern with access points is electromagnetic radiation. The topic is scientifically debated, with studies showing various results, but as a precaution, we would prefer to reduce this exposure.
The technician otherwise recommended 2 access points in the attic (pointing in opposite directions because they only transmit within a 180-degree radius).And does the technician actually know how access points transmit??? How would they?
Also, the idea that no radio frequency passes through drywall would be new to me.
Regarding electromagnetic radiation, you can just turn off the Wi-Fi at night (I assume you mean the bedrooms); reasonable access points allow you to set schedules for that. Do you have any other wireless devices nearby?
In general, I would install CAT7 cabling in every room—what could possibly go wrong under normal circumstances? (I believe this is already mandatory in France!)
We have a Fritz!Box on every floor (there are other models as well), and in total, I think we installed about 12 Cat cables.
Wi-Fi for phones, tablets, etc. is available throughout the entire house (solid cement sand-lime brick construction), and devices like printers, TVs, etc. are hardwired.
By the way, fixed wiring is still the safest and least prone to interference.
Well, 8k streams already exist and can have peaks over 50 Mbit/s. Of course, compression is used, but that’s not a big issue. I don’t think this means the end of copper wiring is near. In-house cabling won’t be the bottleneck for quite some time, if ever.
For Dolby Atmos, suspended ceilings and walls are primarily needed to integrate the maximum number of speakers. Setting Atmos on 5.1, 7.1, or 9.1 setups is nice but misses the point. So, the copper cable is the smallest problem.
One LAN connection and one access point per floor.
For Dolby Atmos, suspended ceilings and walls are primarily needed to integrate the maximum number of speakers. Setting Atmos on 5.1, 7.1, or 9.1 setups is nice but misses the point. So, the copper cable is the smallest problem.
One LAN connection and one access point per floor.
markus2703 schrieb:
But if there is actually a need for more connections, I simply buy other adapters – it’s difficult with a permanently installed cable However, the cable provides at least 1,000 Mbit… and as soon as you do more than just internet browsing and some TV, you’ll run into limitations. You can forget about using a NAS with powerline adapters.
markus2703 schrieb:
Another thought. I have a LAN socket installed in the child’s room, choosing the location as best as I can. Years later, the child gets a desk placed on the exact opposite side of the room – LAN becomes tricky because power outlets are usually available on all sides of a room. Then you stay a bit flexible and run a LAN cable behind the baseboard.
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Steffen8024 Oct 2016 09:07markus2703 schrieb:
And that’s exactly the difference why for some people (like me) Powerline communication (PLC) is completely fine, while for others it may not be. My "HD Fake Entertain" is more than enough on my 42-inch (107 cm) TV, and my Powerline adapter easily handles the 50 Mbps coming through my DSL connection. It can go up to 300 Mbps, but I understand it probably doesn’t quite reach that.
Okay. Then you are simply the rare exception among people who still find an old Nokia sufficient (symbolically speaking… no offense!). You don’t need LAN, Powerline, etc.; even Wi-Fi is enough for HD Fake Entertain.
Regards, Micha
PS: 300 Mbps over Powerline??? Come on… I’m nearly falling off my chair! Test it yourself! My guess: 50–70 Mbps!
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Bieber081524 Oct 2016 09:08RobsonMKK schrieb:
You can forget a NAS with DLAN. No, you can also watch movies streamed from the NAS to the TV via PowerLAN and use the NAS for many other purposes—been there, done that (in an older building). Anyway, in a new build, I wouldn’t plan without LAN cabling.
In every living room:
2 x LAN
1 x TV socket/SAT
This is simply a must. I wouldn’t hesitate, since the house is likely to stand and be used for 50 to 100 years, even under changing circumstances (possibly different occupants).
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