Hello!
Our construction started about 2.5 weeks ago, and we are currently planning the electrical system. We are wondering how to install internet in the house.
About the house:
The house is built using solid construction methods from Viebrockhaus. Radio waves barely pass through the ceiling between the ground floor (GF) and the upper floor (UF). On the UF, the interior walls are drywall with metal elements, which also blocks radio waves significantly.
For the ground floor:
We want to set up Wi-Fi with the router located in the utility room. This should provide coverage throughout the entire ground floor and help reduce electromagnetic pollution to some extent.
For the upper floor:
This question is more complex. We lean toward a LAN solution to minimize electromagnetic pollution.
Option 1: Run LAN cables through the empty conduits from the utility room to each room on the upper floor.
Option 2: Use powerline adapters (network over the electrical wiring).
-> We tend to choose the second option because there are more power outlets than LAN ports in each room. It is also somewhat cheaper, though the price difference is minor in a project of this scale.
What do you think? Will this solution work without problems, or are there limitations? Have you had any experience with this?
Thank you very much for your input.
Our construction started about 2.5 weeks ago, and we are currently planning the electrical system. We are wondering how to install internet in the house.
About the house:
The house is built using solid construction methods from Viebrockhaus. Radio waves barely pass through the ceiling between the ground floor (GF) and the upper floor (UF). On the UF, the interior walls are drywall with metal elements, which also blocks radio waves significantly.
For the ground floor:
We want to set up Wi-Fi with the router located in the utility room. This should provide coverage throughout the entire ground floor and help reduce electromagnetic pollution to some extent.
For the upper floor:
This question is more complex. We lean toward a LAN solution to minimize electromagnetic pollution.
Option 1: Run LAN cables through the empty conduits from the utility room to each room on the upper floor.
Option 2: Use powerline adapters (network over the electrical wiring).
-> We tend to choose the second option because there are more power outlets than LAN ports in each room. It is also somewhat cheaper, though the price difference is minor in a project of this scale.
What do you think? Will this solution work without problems, or are there limitations? Have you had any experience with this?
Thank you very much for your input.
ONeill schrieb:
LAN and Wi-Fi via access points, no repeaters.
Why choose access points instead of repeaters?
The issue we have with access points is electromagnetic pollution. The topic is scientifically debated, with studies showing various results, but as a precaution, we would like to minimize this exposure.
The technician otherwise recommended two access points in the attic (in opposite directions because they only transmit within a 180-degree radius).
The electromagnetic pollution is likely higher with Wi-Fi. You basically turn all your wiring into a huge antenna. I would only use something like that in older buildings, not in new constructions where better solutions are available.
I would install at least one LAN socket in every room and additionally use Wi-Fi. For laptops, tablets, and smartphones, LAN is simply too impractical. Drywall is not a problem for Wi-Fi, and your floor between levels probably isn’t either...
I would install at least one LAN socket in every room and additionally use Wi-Fi. For laptops, tablets, and smartphones, LAN is simply too impractical. Drywall is not a problem for Wi-Fi, and your floor between levels probably isn’t either...
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Bieber081524 Oct 2016 07:5877.willo schrieb:
probably not your floor slab either In our house, the floor slab effectively blocks the Wi-Fi signal (router on the ground floor, 20cm (8 inches) of concrete, 8cm (3 inches) of insulation, underfloor heating, screed). Therefore, I agree with the LAN cable supporters (including access point).
WARNING this post contains sarcasm!
Maybe you should consider running heating, water, and electricity surface-mounted instead. After all, something could actually break. Especially critical with underfloor heating—therefore, I recommend coke stoves or similar alternatives.
And where exactly are you saving? You will probably end up installing an extra socket anyway to keep those things out of sight.
Because repeaters are a “crutch.” They will never deliver the same results as an access point, that’s just how it is. You pick up the signal (which arrives weakly) and amplify it slightly. An access point is connected to a network outlet and therefore receives a fresh signal.
E-smog? What about your mobile phone? Alarm clock? Radio? All things that run all night long.
You can either put the access point in eco mode at night or have it completely turn off—should be no problem (unless you cut corners in the wrong place).
Alternative solution for all cases: tin foil hats
markus2703 schrieb:
This initially saves an extra outlet for the LAN as well as all the wiring, and no network cable can break on me either.
Maybe you should consider running heating, water, and electricity surface-mounted instead. After all, something could actually break. Especially critical with underfloor heating—therefore, I recommend coke stoves or similar alternatives.
And where exactly are you saving? You will probably end up installing an extra socket anyway to keep those things out of sight.
Galaxie schrieb:
Why use access points instead of repeaters?
Because repeaters are a “crutch.” They will never deliver the same results as an access point, that’s just how it is. You pick up the signal (which arrives weakly) and amplify it slightly. An access point is connected to a network outlet and therefore receives a fresh signal.
Galaxie schrieb:
A minor issue with access points for us is the electromagnetic smog. This topic is scientifically controversial, with studies pointing in all directions, but as a precaution, we would like to reduce this exposure.
E-smog? What about your mobile phone? Alarm clock? Radio? All things that run all night long.
You can either put the access point in eco mode at night or have it completely turn off—should be no problem (unless you cut corners in the wrong place).
Alternative solution for all cases: tin foil hats
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Steffen8024 Oct 2016 08:31markus2703 schrieb:
That’s something I’m interested in too. I didn’t have any Ethernet cabling installed; I use Wi-Fi instead. That saved me an extra wall outlet for Ethernet as well as all the cabling. Plus, there’s no risk of a network cable getting damaged. Bandwidth isn’t an issue either – we run Entertain on it, and the bandwidth easily handles 2 HD streams plus 1 SD.
So where exactly are the downsides, apart from just needing the devices? Like I said, I don’t have to worry about a cable breaking eventually.Wi-Fi is only a practical backup solution if no other option is available and really doesn’t belong in new builds. You’ll never get beyond mediocre speeds… your pseudo-HD Entertain might still work, but for true HD with proper bitrates and quality audio (Dolby Atmos, etc.) you’ll experience significant buffering and stuttering. And that’s not even considering 4K content. It gets even more critical with 8K, where copper cables reach their limits anyway. We are installing a conduit in the living room to allow for fiber optic cabling later on.
In every room where it is needed, running cables doesn’t cost much and the powerline adapters just lie around and are not exactly aesthetically pleasing. Furthermore, you can use them for SAT over IP, connect telephones, or other applications. I would suggest installing one access point per floor. For example, you can use devices from Ubiquiti, which work quite well and can be configured to turn off their wireless transmission at certain times.
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