ᐅ What rough costs should be planned for walls, ceilings, and outdoor areas?
Created on: 17 Nov 2017 10:49
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DennisKI currently have an offer that already includes quite a few additional costs:
- Development costs (the plot is fully serviced)
- Commission (not applicable)
- Application fees (except for the carport)
- Utility connections
Basically, the statement is turnkey except for:
- Painting / carpet installation
-> The ceilings are not skim coated, but the walls in all rooms have a fine plaster finish Q2.
-> Additionally, the bathrooms, kitchen, hallway, and basement corridor will already be tiled.
- Exterior landscaping (desired: standard terrace, mostly lawn, some kind of privacy screen on the sides)
- Double carport
My question is what average costs I should expect for these items. I understand that it’s not possible to give an exact figure, but a range of about ±10,000 euros would be sufficient (if that is at least possible).
The following areas apply:
- Plot: approximately 450m² (about 4844 sq ft) for exterior landscaping
- Living spaces: approximately 80m² (about 861 sq ft)
- Bathroom/kitchen: approximately 30m² (about 323 sq ft)
On which amount is the property transfer tax / notary fees actually charged? Only on the finished part or also on the remaining work for which I am currently asking about the costs?
I would also appreciate any other tips (e.g., whether I am approaching this matter correctly).
- Development costs (the plot is fully serviced)
- Commission (not applicable)
- Application fees (except for the carport)
- Utility connections
Basically, the statement is turnkey except for:
- Painting / carpet installation
-> The ceilings are not skim coated, but the walls in all rooms have a fine plaster finish Q2.
-> Additionally, the bathrooms, kitchen, hallway, and basement corridor will already be tiled.
- Exterior landscaping (desired: standard terrace, mostly lawn, some kind of privacy screen on the sides)
- Double carport
My question is what average costs I should expect for these items. I understand that it’s not possible to give an exact figure, but a range of about ±10,000 euros would be sufficient (if that is at least possible).
The following areas apply:
- Plot: approximately 450m² (about 4844 sq ft) for exterior landscaping
- Living spaces: approximately 80m² (about 861 sq ft)
- Bathroom/kitchen: approximately 30m² (about 323 sq ft)
On which amount is the property transfer tax / notary fees actually charged? Only on the finished part or also on the remaining work for which I am currently asking about the costs?
I would also appreciate any other tips (e.g., whether I am approaching this matter correctly).
We are at a similar point and have made multiple attempts to estimate and include these costs.
The plot is paid for from our own equity, house and construction-related additional costs are relatively well defined, and some tiled rooms are already included. What remains are the items you mentioned, such as the carport, outdoor areas, floor coverings, additional special requests, and so on.
Even if you don’t want to hear this answer, no one can really help you with this in a meaningful way. We have also given up by now and will plan some of these items later based on the remaining budget.
Homeowner A chooses laminate or carpet at a cost of 15€/m² (about $15/sq ft), while homeowner B prefers tiles or parquet flooring at 40€/m² (about $40/sq ft). On an 80 m² (860 sq ft) area, that makes a difference of 2,000€ (about $2,200).
The same goes for the terrace, the carport, and the outdoor areas. From DIY and hardware store solutions to garden landscaper and architect for a garden design with koi pond—of course, somewhat exaggerated.
We are currently budgeting 30€/m² (about $30/sq ft) for the remaining rooms and have additionally set aside about 20,000 to 25,000€ (about $22,000 to $27,500) for outdoor areas and parking spaces. This includes terrace, paving work, fences, plants, etc.
Most of these items we will save until the end and then see what is left over. For example, the current plan is a large double carport with a storage room (costs over 10,000€ (about $11,000)). If the budget becomes tight, a smaller one from the hardware store may have to suffice for a while. The same applies to the quality of privacy screens and fences—we will see :-)
The plot is paid for from our own equity, house and construction-related additional costs are relatively well defined, and some tiled rooms are already included. What remains are the items you mentioned, such as the carport, outdoor areas, floor coverings, additional special requests, and so on.
Even if you don’t want to hear this answer, no one can really help you with this in a meaningful way. We have also given up by now and will plan some of these items later based on the remaining budget.
Homeowner A chooses laminate or carpet at a cost of 15€/m² (about $15/sq ft), while homeowner B prefers tiles or parquet flooring at 40€/m² (about $40/sq ft). On an 80 m² (860 sq ft) area, that makes a difference of 2,000€ (about $2,200).
The same goes for the terrace, the carport, and the outdoor areas. From DIY and hardware store solutions to garden landscaper and architect for a garden design with koi pond—of course, somewhat exaggerated.
We are currently budgeting 30€/m² (about $30/sq ft) for the remaining rooms and have additionally set aside about 20,000 to 25,000€ (about $22,000 to $27,500) for outdoor areas and parking spaces. This includes terrace, paving work, fences, plants, etc.
Most of these items we will save until the end and then see what is left over. For example, the current plan is a large double carport with a storage room (costs over 10,000€ (about $11,000)). If the budget becomes tight, a smaller one from the hardware store may have to suffice for a while. The same applies to the quality of privacy screens and fences—we will see :-)
Thank you for your detailed response. I had a similar idea, as it is really difficult to gather this information.
For the exterior work/carport, I’m arriving at similar figures based on the experience of others. For the painting and flooring work, I found an average cost of 10,000 euros (without exact square meter information. I am assuming typical houses of 130-140 sqm (1400-1500 sq ft)).
For the exterior work/carport, I’m arriving at similar figures based on the experience of others. For the painting and flooring work, I found an average cost of 10,000 euros (without exact square meter information. I am assuming typical houses of 130-140 sqm (1400-1500 sq ft)).
The problem is that no one talks about prices. I’ve been searching for comparable information for a long time because we want to calculate the loan amount as accurately as possible.
Since I also write a construction blog (which is not public yet), I wanted to include a page with rough prices for others in a similar situation... but my husband doesn’t want that. After all, it’s nobody’s business how much money we have invested and where.
So we’ll see—maybe I’ll turn it into a list with €/sqm (€/square meter) instead. Of course, that can only happen once the invoices are in 😉
Since I also write a construction blog (which is not public yet), I wanted to include a page with rough prices for others in a similar situation... but my husband doesn’t want that. After all, it’s nobody’s business how much money we have invested and where.
So we’ll see—maybe I’ll turn it into a list with €/sqm (€/square meter) instead. Of course, that can only happen once the invoices are in 😉
So here in the forum, we actually talk about prices all the time 🙂 But we are anonymous here. A building blog run in Germany, on the other hand, is not anonymous due to legal disclosure requirements, so that is understandable.
However, the building blogs I know that share figures rarely emphasize the individuality involved. If these blogs work with general contractors / main contractors / developers, the prices mentioned there are not really benchmarks, as they rarely correspond to the real additional costs.
It really comes down to the fact that prices depend on wishes and preferences.
You can install your own flooring with €5 per square meter (approximately $5 per square foot) of DIY laminate from a hardware store, or choose €50 per square meter (approximately $50 per square foot) large-format tiles and easily spend the same amount again for installation. Of course, there is no upper limit, as always. For tiles installed by subcontractors, I would expect around €100 per square meter (approximately $100 per square foot), which will get you something good.
However, the building blogs I know that share figures rarely emphasize the individuality involved. If these blogs work with general contractors / main contractors / developers, the prices mentioned there are not really benchmarks, as they rarely correspond to the real additional costs.
It really comes down to the fact that prices depend on wishes and preferences.
You can install your own flooring with €5 per square meter (approximately $5 per square foot) of DIY laminate from a hardware store, or choose €50 per square meter (approximately $50 per square foot) large-format tiles and easily spend the same amount again for installation. Of course, there is no upper limit, as always. For tiles installed by subcontractors, I would expect around €100 per square meter (approximately $100 per square foot), which will get you something good.
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