Good evening,
I would like to get some surveillance cameras. Unfortunately, there are so many offers available, with some costing 1500 euros and others 300 euros, even though I hardly see any difference between some of them. Therefore, I wanted to ask if anyone has a lot of knowledge or experience with a good set.
I would like to have 4 cameras for outdoor use. They should have Wi-Fi, as I don’t want to run cables everywhere, and offer live streaming to a smartphone via an app or another method. Additionally, an optional alarm that can be activated—preferably only at night—would be useful.
The problem is that I don’t want the cameras to be immediately noticeable on my house, so ideally they should have a black housing. I plan to hang them on my balcony and point them toward my house. The sidewalk will also be recorded since my property extends to the street, so there should be no legal issues.
I’m willing to spend up to 500 euros if that is feasible. I hope someone can help me as soon as possible because frequently teenagers cause trouble right in front of my house. For example, every year on New Year’s Eve, someone throws a firework into a stone trash bin that is located in front of my house. EVERY YEAR THE SAME THING. Now I’ve had enough and plan to go to the police this year with hopefully good video evidence.
Thank you very much for the help.
I would like to get some surveillance cameras. Unfortunately, there are so many offers available, with some costing 1500 euros and others 300 euros, even though I hardly see any difference between some of them. Therefore, I wanted to ask if anyone has a lot of knowledge or experience with a good set.
I would like to have 4 cameras for outdoor use. They should have Wi-Fi, as I don’t want to run cables everywhere, and offer live streaming to a smartphone via an app or another method. Additionally, an optional alarm that can be activated—preferably only at night—would be useful.
The problem is that I don’t want the cameras to be immediately noticeable on my house, so ideally they should have a black housing. I plan to hang them on my balcony and point them toward my house. The sidewalk will also be recorded since my property extends to the street, so there should be no legal issues.
I’m willing to spend up to 500 euros if that is feasible. I hope someone can help me as soon as possible because frequently teenagers cause trouble right in front of my house. For example, every year on New Year’s Eve, someone throws a firework into a stone trash bin that is located in front of my house. EVERY YEAR THE SAME THING. Now I’ve had enough and plan to go to the police this year with hopefully good video evidence.
Thank you very much for the help.
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AllThumbs24 Feb 2021 09:44What approach would you recommend for determining the best positions for cameras in advance? Initially, I thought the most aesthetically pleasing location was under the roof overhang, but with two full stories, this actually ends up only capturing the top of a person’s head. At least you would be able to see someone is on the property, just not who it is.
Mounting cameras on the exterior wall would make it difficult to choose the correct angle and distance, and it is, of course, very noticeable.
Mounting cameras on the exterior wall would make it difficult to choose the correct angle and distance, and it is, of course, very noticeable.
Manufacturers provide tools to visualize their cameras and viewing angles based on the structure of your building. There are a whole range of variables to consider, like a wheelbarrow full and a backpack more.
It’s not just the pixel count of the display that matters, but also the form factor, housing, viewing angle, focal length, height, and so on. Of course, only cameras of decent quality offer such options… but with these, you can cover everything and not just the entrance and garden.
Therefore, you can’t determine the camera locations in advance. Camera X installed under the roof overhang might provide good results, while Camera Y might not work at all there. For example, I use four different types of cameras outdoors with a total of six cameras to cover everything and have a 360-degree view.
It also depends on the type of house you have and how deep your roof overhang is.
It’s not just the pixel count of the display that matters, but also the form factor, housing, viewing angle, focal length, height, and so on. Of course, only cameras of decent quality offer such options… but with these, you can cover everything and not just the entrance and garden.
Therefore, you can’t determine the camera locations in advance. Camera X installed under the roof overhang might provide good results, while Camera Y might not work at all there. For example, I use four different types of cameras outdoors with a total of six cameras to cover everything and have a 360-degree view.
It also depends on the type of house you have and how deep your roof overhang is.
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The pedestrian pathway will be included, since my property extends to the street, so there should be no legal issues.Are we under surveillance here? That is prohibited. I strongly advise against it.Cameras tend to attract attention rather than deter it.
untergasse4324 Feb 2021 15:32Based on many years of experience, I can say that cameras do not deter burglars at all. At best, they are useful for providing evidence to the police afterward or for catching the neighborhood kid when he sticks fireworks into the mailbox. Even the police only get lucky if someone happens to recognize the visitor. In addition, with inexpensive cameras, everything looks the same in the dark due to infrared black-and-white imaging, meaning you can’t even reliably identify clothing (there are also cameras with color night vision).
What actually deters or prevents break-ins is significantly increased difficulty of entry (i.e., mechanical break-in protection), lighting, and/or noise. In that order. We use our cameras mainly for monitoring and because I’m interested in the technology.
What actually deters or prevents break-ins is significantly increased difficulty of entry (i.e., mechanical break-in protection), lighting, and/or noise. In that order. We use our cameras mainly for monitoring and because I’m interested in the technology.
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pagoni202024 Feb 2021 22:00[CQUOTE="rick2018, post: 474902, member: 46794"]
Cameras do make sense, but only if they are part of an overall concept.
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Exactly!
Beforehand, there should be an individual analysis of what I want to achieve with them, what I can actually prevent, and whether this particular risk really exists for me.
I wouldn’t categorically dismiss it; as I said, I’m more concerned about the current security trend that supposedly increases my vulnerable safety.
I specifically recall people who refused to implement an effective measure, like a simple wooden beam, because it didn’t seem technical or modern enough, even though they were afraid. They then chose a cool, expensive, and trendy solution that was pointless regarding the problem... 🤨
[CQUOTE="rick2018, post: 474902, member: 46794"]
At €500 per camera, you’re no longer dealing with toys.
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I had understood that the original poster wanted to spend a total of €500 to primarily address the risk of fireworks around trash bins.
Even a serious risk assessment would have ended the camera discussion for this problem.
[CQUOTE="rick2018, post: 474902, member: 46794"]
But the whole system is integrated into an overall concept. I have it because I’m tech-savvy, not because it’s “necessary.”
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I can totally understand if someone enjoys technology or similar things. However, I have often experienced that in this area especially, fear is used heavily, and that for every situation there is at least one horror story heard or read which then justifies any excessive measure.
My critical thinking is always aimed against the scattergun approach based on mostly unfounded fear of everything and everyone, which in real life usually doesn’t manifest.
If the danger were actually real or likely, there would be no financial limits, or is the life or health of my family only worth €500–5000?
As @rick2018 writes, this often happens out of curiosity but also to control things, which then get justified by some risks; humans like to control.
In South America, the children of the better society never played outside the gated community. They were picked up by the bus behind the fence in the morning and dropped off behind the fence at school. Cameras everywhere, lists, observations—even though 60% of these children were overweight or clearly obese due to extreme sugar consumption. Nobody was afraid of that, and topics like pedophilia or domestic/familial violence were taboo. This was impossible to talk about, even though it was the most obvious.
Yet everyone saw criminals and terrible dangers everywhere and lived as if in prison, although there was actually almost no crime there compared to Central Europe. The presence of thousands of cameras, tall fences, guard dogs in every garden, and the constantly blaring car alarms or store theft sirens led to the feeling that everything and every second is dangerous—though this image was ultimately created by the excessive, crazy countermeasures. Sad!
What a burglar, crook, etc. actually thinks and does, or their motive or approach, is inscrutable and completely different each time. Anyone who believes they know what THAT burglar will do or how it will be is imagining things or has probably watched too many episodes of Derrick, where he solved everything exactly in 45 minutes.
Cameras do make sense, but only if they are part of an overall concept.
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Exactly!
Beforehand, there should be an individual analysis of what I want to achieve with them, what I can actually prevent, and whether this particular risk really exists for me.
I wouldn’t categorically dismiss it; as I said, I’m more concerned about the current security trend that supposedly increases my vulnerable safety.
I specifically recall people who refused to implement an effective measure, like a simple wooden beam, because it didn’t seem technical or modern enough, even though they were afraid. They then chose a cool, expensive, and trendy solution that was pointless regarding the problem... 🤨
[CQUOTE="rick2018, post: 474902, member: 46794"]
At €500 per camera, you’re no longer dealing with toys.
[/CQUOTE]
I had understood that the original poster wanted to spend a total of €500 to primarily address the risk of fireworks around trash bins.
Even a serious risk assessment would have ended the camera discussion for this problem.
[CQUOTE="rick2018, post: 474902, member: 46794"]
But the whole system is integrated into an overall concept. I have it because I’m tech-savvy, not because it’s “necessary.”
[/CQUOTE]
I can totally understand if someone enjoys technology or similar things. However, I have often experienced that in this area especially, fear is used heavily, and that for every situation there is at least one horror story heard or read which then justifies any excessive measure.
My critical thinking is always aimed against the scattergun approach based on mostly unfounded fear of everything and everyone, which in real life usually doesn’t manifest.
If the danger were actually real or likely, there would be no financial limits, or is the life or health of my family only worth €500–5000?
As @rick2018 writes, this often happens out of curiosity but also to control things, which then get justified by some risks; humans like to control.
In South America, the children of the better society never played outside the gated community. They were picked up by the bus behind the fence in the morning and dropped off behind the fence at school. Cameras everywhere, lists, observations—even though 60% of these children were overweight or clearly obese due to extreme sugar consumption. Nobody was afraid of that, and topics like pedophilia or domestic/familial violence were taboo. This was impossible to talk about, even though it was the most obvious.
Yet everyone saw criminals and terrible dangers everywhere and lived as if in prison, although there was actually almost no crime there compared to Central Europe. The presence of thousands of cameras, tall fences, guard dogs in every garden, and the constantly blaring car alarms or store theft sirens led to the feeling that everything and every second is dangerous—though this image was ultimately created by the excessive, crazy countermeasures. Sad!
What a burglar, crook, etc. actually thinks and does, or their motive or approach, is inscrutable and completely different each time. Anyone who believes they know what THAT burglar will do or how it will be is imagining things or has probably watched too many episodes of Derrick, where he solved everything exactly in 45 minutes.
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