Hello everyone!
I bought a house with land on which a gas pipeline already runs (see image, blue line). Since the pipeline crosses the seller’s property and, for whatever reasons, they do not want this, a contract was made to relocate the gas pipeline. The old pipeline is to be cut off on my property and rerouted southwards to the street (see image, red line).
On the NBB Netzgesellschaft website, tiered flat rates for gas connection and piping can be found; for 60 meters that would be 2,600€ gross.
In my case, only a new pipeline is to be installed from the existing house connection across the property to the sidewalk. For this, I am supposed to pay almost double (5,100€ and 3,300€ without excavation work), even though less work is involved. According to an NBB employee, this is because my case is considered a relocation. Unlike a new connection, relocations receive less subsidy. This subsidy seems quite unclear and hard to understand to me, as the price is considerably higher and also differs from the estimate given by an employee. She previously said the price wouldn’t differ much from the information on their website. Has anyone had similar experience? If this cannot be changed, are there other, cheaper alternatives? Since NBB is the only company authorized to install pipelines, I cannot go to another provider. Possibly I could have someone else do the excavation work, but whether I would save much with 60 meters is uncertain. Thanks in advance.
I bought a house with land on which a gas pipeline already runs (see image, blue line). Since the pipeline crosses the seller’s property and, for whatever reasons, they do not want this, a contract was made to relocate the gas pipeline. The old pipeline is to be cut off on my property and rerouted southwards to the street (see image, red line).
On the NBB Netzgesellschaft website, tiered flat rates for gas connection and piping can be found; for 60 meters that would be 2,600€ gross.
In my case, only a new pipeline is to be installed from the existing house connection across the property to the sidewalk. For this, I am supposed to pay almost double (5,100€ and 3,300€ without excavation work), even though less work is involved. According to an NBB employee, this is because my case is considered a relocation. Unlike a new connection, relocations receive less subsidy. This subsidy seems quite unclear and hard to understand to me, as the price is considerably higher and also differs from the estimate given by an employee. She previously said the price wouldn’t differ much from the information on their website. Has anyone had similar experience? If this cannot be changed, are there other, cheaper alternatives? Since NBB is the only company authorized to install pipelines, I cannot go to another provider. Possibly I could have someone else do the excavation work, but whether I would save much with 60 meters is uncertain. Thanks in advance.
etrox111 schrieb:
Hello everyone!
I bought a house with land, where there is already a gas line running through it (picture, blue line). Since the line crosses the seller’s property and they do not want this for some reason, a contractual agreement was made to relocate the gas line. The old line is to be cut on my property and rerouted south towards the road (picture, red line).
The NBB network company’s website shows tiered flat rates for gas connections and piping; for 60 meters (200 feet), it would be 2600€ gross.
In my case, only a new line is to be installed from the existing house connection across the property to the sidewalk. However, I am being charged almost twice as much (5100€ gross and 3300€ net without excavation work), even though the effort seems less. According to an NBB representative, this is because it is considered a relocation. Unlike a new connection, relocations receive lower subsidies. This subsidy system seems unclear and difficult to understand, since the price is significantly higher and also differs from the estimate given by an employee. She previously said the price would not differ much from the figures on their website. Has anyone had similar experiences? If this cannot be changed, are there other, cheaper alternatives? Since NBB is the only company authorized to install these lines, I cannot choose another provider. It might be possible to hire someone else for the excavation work, but it’s uncertain if that would save much for 60 meters (200 feet). Thanks in advance. Would you consider an air-to-water heat pump or a ground-source heat pump instead of gas? If Annalena comes into power, gas will definitely become much more expensive, and even if another party gains the majority, gas prices are likely to rise. Combined with photovoltaic panels, you can even generate a profit over time.
Mycraft schrieb:
It depends on the current condition of the house. Key point: heat loss. You should also consider what kind of heating system (everything from the boiler onward) is currently installed. If major renovations are needed, a heat pump might not offer any advantage.Even with up to a 45% subsidy and the resulting energy savings? I would have an expert calculate all of that for me.
kbt09 schrieb:
And, do the owners of plots 390 and 389 agree to the relocation of the pipeline?There is pedestrian, vehicular, and utility access right.
MayrCh schrieb:
As already correctly mentioned, this applies to a new connection. Flat-rate initial connection fees no longer apply for connection modifications.
Furthermore, flat rates for new connections only apply if work is done exclusively on the property of the connection holder; quickly crossing three third-party properties (two of which apparently do not fall under NDAV) cannot be covered by flat rates.
In addition, the existing house connection line must be decommissioned and, if necessary, removed. This is not free of charge either.
Conclusion: €5,100 including civil engineering work across third-party properties, line securing, and removal is comparatively a bargain; I would commission it immediately. Or offer the property seller €4,500 for registering a utility easement in your favor on his property—maybe he can still be persuaded. It is worth considering making the seller an offer... but based on what I have learned about him so far, probably not. His argument for relocating the line seems a bit confused to me. He fears that the line might fail at some point, causing conflicts between him and me. It remains questionable how a 23-year-old gas line could simply fail and to what extent repairing such a fault should be considered so serious.
Acof1978 schrieb:
Not even with the subsidy of up to 45% and the energy savings gained from it? I would have an expert calculate all of that for me.The heating and hot water systems would need to be completely replaced, as well as the heat pump system. I will be living alone in the house, so it probably won't pay off within a foreseeable time frame...
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