Hello,
even though this question has been asked many times before, I would like to ask it once more. I am planning to build a single-family house with approximately 120 - 130 sqm (1,290 - 1,400 sq ft) of living space plus a storage room and garage. From what I have read in this forum, a rough estimate could be calculated as follows:
Now I am my own spoiler because the budget is only 210,000 euros. So, at this point, I should give up the building project, but I cannot understand that it is not possible to build a house for 210,000 euros. I would describe my requirements as simple in terms of fittings but high when it comes to quality. I don’t need any luxury, but I can’t stand flimsy windows/doors or creaky stairs. I don’t want much, but what I have should be solid. If I take this on, I want to be quite sure that this budget limit will not be significantly exceeded.
Specifically, I would say the following: simple floor plan – terrace – no slope – shutters (roller shutters) – no curtains inside, instead blinds – no frills – all tiled except for bedrooms and children’s rooms – bathroom with toilet – separate guest toilet – no underfloor heating – no electric shutters/blinds/skylights – no automatic ventilation system – walls and ceilings painted white with textured wallpaper. As the only luxuries, I would like a wood-burning stove in the living room and a network connection in every room. Everything kept simple but of solid/durable quality. For DIY work, I would do the painting (wallpapering/painting) and outdoor areas myself. I would also install the flooring in the rooms that are not tiled (bedrooms/children’s rooms) as well as handle the cleaning up. Preferably built with a solid construction method.
Now the big question: Is this completely unrealistic? Or how should one go about building a simple but solid house for 210,000 euros?
Thanks and regards
even though this question has been asked many times before, I would like to ask it once more. I am planning to build a single-family house with approximately 120 - 130 sqm (1,290 - 1,400 sq ft) of living space plus a storage room and garage. From what I have read in this forum, a rough estimate could be calculated as follows:
| 130 sqm x 1,500 |
| Additional construction costs |
| Garage |
| Outdoor areas |
| Kitchen |
| Painting/flooring |
| Miscellaneous |
| Total |
Now I am my own spoiler because the budget is only 210,000 euros. So, at this point, I should give up the building project, but I cannot understand that it is not possible to build a house for 210,000 euros. I would describe my requirements as simple in terms of fittings but high when it comes to quality. I don’t need any luxury, but I can’t stand flimsy windows/doors or creaky stairs. I don’t want much, but what I have should be solid. If I take this on, I want to be quite sure that this budget limit will not be significantly exceeded.
Specifically, I would say the following: simple floor plan – terrace – no slope – shutters (roller shutters) – no curtains inside, instead blinds – no frills – all tiled except for bedrooms and children’s rooms – bathroom with toilet – separate guest toilet – no underfloor heating – no electric shutters/blinds/skylights – no automatic ventilation system – walls and ceilings painted white with textured wallpaper. As the only luxuries, I would like a wood-burning stove in the living room and a network connection in every room. Everything kept simple but of solid/durable quality. For DIY work, I would do the painting (wallpapering/painting) and outdoor areas myself. I would also install the flooring in the rooms that are not tiled (bedrooms/children’s rooms) as well as handle the cleaning up. Preferably built with a solid construction method.
Now the big question: Is this completely unrealistic? Or how should one go about building a simple but solid house for 210,000 euros?
Thanks and regards
Der Da schrieb:
May I ask why only at the bottom? Why not leave them out completely?
Security against break-ins can’t be the reason.
. Less about burglary protection, although with aluminum roller shutters at least they provide a “noise and attention factor.” That has at least deterred the last burglars here.
But more importantly, in the evenings everyone can look inside at the bottom. It’s more difficult to do that from above.
We might consider adding external blinds at the top later. At first I thought the idea was silly, but then I saw some really great ones at a trade show...
angoletti1 schrieb:
Unlike roller shutters, for me ..., cistern, geothermal energy, ..., etc. are luxury.A cistern is often not a luxury but a REQUIREMENT. In our area, the builder is required to install a soakaway system. This means that an infiltration trench, soakaway pit, or pond must be constructed. According to our construction company, placing a cistern before the soakaway system (which can then be smaller) is hardly more expensive than installing the (larger) soakaway itself.
What I want to say is: there are regulations that make a cistern not a luxury but a necessity.
As for geothermal energy – well: whether you install a cheaper heating system today with higher annual operating costs or invest in a more expensive heating system (geothermal) that pays off in the long run is a decision everyone has to make for themselves. So, from a long-term perspective, it is not a luxury for me either. Written by someone who will build with geothermal energy :o.
It might currently be popular to include roller shutters in the planning.
Besides, effective sun protection is very important in highly insulated houses nowadays – a few years ago, roller shutters were installed mainly as cold protection for windows. They also provide burglary protection.
However, I find it excessive to equip all windows with these – not exactly attractive – devices. But that is just a personal opinion.
Still, someone who can only afford a more modest house should not be discouraged by such personal opinions.
These opinions also include statements (not mentioned here now, but often read/heard) like “a bathroom under 10 sqm (108 sq ft) is social housing,” “a house must have a garage,” “you only build once,” and so on…
Everyone has their own personal standards – how these came about can only be said by the person who set them. And they can adjust or change them if necessary. We are talking about standards.
Our house, about 135 sqm (1,453 sq ft) (from a reputable builder in Lower Saxony), would have cost about 145,000 euros “bare-bones” turnkey according to the 2009 Energy Saving Ordinance (ready for wallpapering and floor coverings included), meaning no upgrades yet. Taking into account a (now almost mandatory) controlled mechanical ventilation system and a few special features, the price rises to 160,000 euros. Without tile upgrades (there are nice tiles for 25 euros), laminate flooring in the living area, a remodeled kitchen, a standard shower, basic electrical installation, etc., we end up at 180,000 euros. Additional construction incidental costs apply.
A garage and an external flue pipe for the chimney can be added later. Paths and the yard can be filled with gravel.
However, we don’t know how the original poster’s maximum budget is composed, whether there is a buffer, or if special payments are already planned. Nor do we know where, for whom, or for how many people the house is to be built.
Additional note: my own condominium apartment from a few years ago (which still exists, by the way) has no garage, no roller shutters, no walk-in shower, and no underfloor heating. Nevertheless, it was comfortable and pleasant to live in.
Besides, effective sun protection is very important in highly insulated houses nowadays – a few years ago, roller shutters were installed mainly as cold protection for windows. They also provide burglary protection.
However, I find it excessive to equip all windows with these – not exactly attractive – devices. But that is just a personal opinion.
Still, someone who can only afford a more modest house should not be discouraged by such personal opinions.
These opinions also include statements (not mentioned here now, but often read/heard) like “a bathroom under 10 sqm (108 sq ft) is social housing,” “a house must have a garage,” “you only build once,” and so on…
Everyone has their own personal standards – how these came about can only be said by the person who set them. And they can adjust or change them if necessary. We are talking about standards.
Our house, about 135 sqm (1,453 sq ft) (from a reputable builder in Lower Saxony), would have cost about 145,000 euros “bare-bones” turnkey according to the 2009 Energy Saving Ordinance (ready for wallpapering and floor coverings included), meaning no upgrades yet. Taking into account a (now almost mandatory) controlled mechanical ventilation system and a few special features, the price rises to 160,000 euros. Without tile upgrades (there are nice tiles for 25 euros), laminate flooring in the living area, a remodeled kitchen, a standard shower, basic electrical installation, etc., we end up at 180,000 euros. Additional construction incidental costs apply.
A garage and an external flue pipe for the chimney can be added later. Paths and the yard can be filled with gravel.
However, we don’t know how the original poster’s maximum budget is composed, whether there is a buffer, or if special payments are already planned. Nor do we know where, for whom, or for how many people the house is to be built.
Additional note: my own condominium apartment from a few years ago (which still exists, by the way) has no garage, no roller shutters, no walk-in shower, and no underfloor heating. Nevertheless, it was comfortable and pleasant to live in.
ypg schrieb:
Still, someone who can only afford a somewhat more economical house shouldn’t be discouraged by such personal opinions.Thank you very much for the support, if that was partly directed at me as well. I must admit, our "standard house" is a bit larger, even though it doesn’t have the extras. That was more important to us than shutters. To each their own, I guess. 🙂kaho674 schrieb:
Thank you for the encouragement, if that was partly directed at me. I have to admit, though, that our standard house, while without the extras, is a bit larger. That was more important to us than roller shutters. To each their own. 🙂Nope, that was referring to "So even now, if you are really honest and build solidly (roller shutters belong on all windows), then 300 bucks are gone." 🙂
Regarding the point about roller shutters in summer:
Roller shutter closed: Provides sun protection, but the room becomes completely dark and unusable (except for sleeping).
External venetian blinds closed: Provides sun protection, but due to the adjustable slats, enough indirect light still enters the room. The room remains usable.
External venetian blinds cost about 20% to 30% more, but in my opinion, they are a worthwhile alternative for living spaces (dining, living, children’s, kitchen).
Roller shutter closed: Provides sun protection, but the room becomes completely dark and unusable (except for sleeping).
External venetian blinds closed: Provides sun protection, but due to the adjustable slats, enough indirect light still enters the room. The room remains usable.
External venetian blinds cost about 20% to 30% more, but in my opinion, they are a worthwhile alternative for living spaces (dining, living, children’s, kitchen).
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