ᐅ Ground floor hallway push-button control -> Hue motion sensor

Hey,

maybe someone here has a solution:

In the ground floor hallway, there are push-button switches at two locations (living room door, main entrance) and upstairs (stair landing). Now I would like to install the mentioned sensor on the ground floor. Normally, the switches stay "ON" so that the light fixture can be controlled. But push-buttons return to their original position and only send a pulse. Does that still count as a permanent "ON"? So that the hallway light can be controlled automatically via Alexa or the Hue motion sensor? Or what would need to be done to make it work as desired?

The same applies to the upstairs hallway. There is a push-button switch at three points (stairs, bathroom, bedroom) plus other push-button switches on the ground floor (as described). The plan is to have spotlights in the upstairs ceiling. Possibly controlled by a motion sensor or only via Alexa voice command. What is the best way to implement this? I have read about a Shelly relay, but there apparently is also a similar relay working over Zigbee...

Side question: At the stairway (quarter turn), there is a wall lamp before the corner going upstairs and another one halfway along the longer flight of stairs. How would you most sensibly control these? Currently, I would say the lower wall lamp is controlled from the ground floor, the second wall lamp from upstairs. When going up, you press the switch for upstairs and the second wall lamp and the upstairs hallway light come on. The first wall lamp lights up when entering the ground floor hallway from the living room. The ground floor hallway light is switched off when leaving the stairs using the upstairs switch for the ground floor.

Here I wonder how this can be combined with the Alexa/Hue setup.

Or the two wall lamps are controlled separately with a multi-way circuit (stair landing and upstairs).

Thank you for your opinions!

So you get a permanent "on" most easily by bypassing the (most likely) Eltako relay. However, then your push buttons will no longer work.
I still don’t quite understand your reasoning behind the desired function of your circuit.
Do you want to control your hallway light only via Alexa voice control?

Andre77 schrieb:

On the ground floor hallway, there are push-button switches in two locations (living room door, main entrance) and on the upper floor (top of the stairs). I would now like to install the sensor mentioned for the ground floor. Normally, the switches are always in the "ON" position so the light fixture can be controlled. But push-buttons always spring back to their original position and only send a short pulse; is that still considered a constant "ON"? So that the hallway light can be automatically controlled via Alexa or the Hue Motion Sensor? Or what would need to be done for it to work as intended?

This can’t be answered generally here. The question is how the circuit is wired and where the lighting cable ends. This can vary greatly, so any answer would just be speculation. Why specifically do you want to use a Hue Motion Sensor?

Andre77 schrieb:

It’s the same setup in the upper floor hallway: a push-button circuit in three places (stairs, bathroom, bedroom) plus on the ground floor next to another push-button circuit (as described). The plan is to have recessed spotlights in the upper floor ceiling. Possibly controlled by a motion sensor or just by Alexa voice commands. What’s the best way to implement this? I’ve read something about a Shelly relay, but apparently there’s also a similar relay that works via Zigbee…

The problem is, there are literally thousands of possibilities for rooms like these. I’d already suggest reconsidering the Alexa solution – it sounds cool, but in practice, it’s not very mature. By the time the light actually turns on, you’re probably already out of the hallway. You can also do it with a motion sensor. I actually removed mine just yesterday because at night, when I go to the bathroom half-asleep, I don’t want to get blinded. You could program the sensor to stop working after a certain time, but somehow I prefer just pressing a button when I need light. I’d keep it that way, but that’s a personal preference.

Andre77 schrieb:

Side question: There’s a wall lamp on the stairway (a quarter turn) right before the corner going up, and another halfway along the long leg of the stairs.

I know those
But I don’t fully understand this sentence –

Andre77 schrieb:

halfway along the long leg of the stairs there is another one.

So there’s only one lamp on the long side? Why not two?

Andre77 schrieb:

How would you most reasonably control them? Currently, I’d say the lower wall lamp is controlled by the ground floor lighting circuit, the second wall lamp by the upper floor.

Not like that!

Andre77 schrieb:

When going from downstairs to upstairs, you press the switch for upstairs and the second wall lamp and upper floor hallway light come on. The first wall lamp lights up when you enter the ground floor hallway from the living room. The ground floor hallway light turns off when leaving the stairs using the upstairs switch for the ground floor.

Way too complicated. Fortunately, you’ve already recognized the solution yourself –

Andre77 schrieb:

Or both wall lamps are controlled separately via a two-gang switch (stairway and upstairs).

Andre77 schrieb:

Here I’m wondering how this could be combined with the Alexa/Hue idea.

Again, there are literally

thousands of possibilities

. Everything is possible, but the question is what you want, how much you want to spend, and what your future plans are.

@danixf
The staircase has two lights, one on the short section and one on the long section.

Motion sensor/Alexa because everything is already set up and currently being used in the apartment. I would like to continue using it.

When entering through the front door, the motion sensor detects this and turns on the hallway light (actually the entrance area; "hallway" sounds more like a narrow corridor). Or if you come from the living room and want to pass through the entrance area to the guest bathroom, opening the living room door should also trigger the sensor to switch on the light in the entrance area. Since the staircase lights will very likely be LEDs, they probably can’t be switched the same way as the E27 bulb in the entrance lighting.

Controlling the two staircase lights in series seems like the most reasonable solution… I think.

danixf schrieb:

You could also set it so the sensor stops switching after a certain time, but I prefer just pressing a button when I need light.
I would leave it as is, but that’s a personal preference.

I’m just imagining it now! Oops: I have traditional motion sensors in all the hallways (suitable for LEDs!!!). It’s practical for guests, so they don’t have to search for switches, and it saves money when you have children who often don’t care if or how long the light stays on.

I was thinking, for aesthetic reasons, that two lights should also be installed along the longer section.

The Hue Motion Sensor is battery-powered and connected to the respective lights via the bridge, correct? So theoretically, you would only need to connect two wires in the distribution board to bypass the switches. Or are the switches going to be removed entirely for now?

What do you mean by the LED comparison with the E27? Is it about the Hue bulb?