Hello,
we are planning to replace our oil heating system with a heat pump as soon as possible (with subsidies), and I would appreciate your help in understanding what the current costs might be and what would be considered overpriced. We do not have a quote yet but are in contact with a reputable company that also includes an energy consultant for the subsidies.
Our house has a living area of 130 square meters (1400 square feet) spread over 3 floors, plus a basement that is at street level on the downhill side due to the slope. The house was built in 1930 but underwent extensive renovation in 2008, including insulation of the facade and roof, new windows, replacement of water pipes and electrical wiring, and installation of solar panels for hot water. We have also installed a small balcony solar system. Due to large dormers, there is limited roof space suitable for photovoltaic panels.
Unfortunately, there is no underfloor heating, but radiators, some of which are quite old and probably should be replaced. There are a total of 12 radiators.
Our current annual oil consumption is about 1500-1600 liters (400-420 gallons).
I’m not sure what other information is needed to get a rough idea, so I’ll leave it at that and wait for any questions.
I hope you can give me a rough estimate so I can better evaluate offers.
Thanks in advance!
we are planning to replace our oil heating system with a heat pump as soon as possible (with subsidies), and I would appreciate your help in understanding what the current costs might be and what would be considered overpriced. We do not have a quote yet but are in contact with a reputable company that also includes an energy consultant for the subsidies.
Our house has a living area of 130 square meters (1400 square feet) spread over 3 floors, plus a basement that is at street level on the downhill side due to the slope. The house was built in 1930 but underwent extensive renovation in 2008, including insulation of the facade and roof, new windows, replacement of water pipes and electrical wiring, and installation of solar panels for hot water. We have also installed a small balcony solar system. Due to large dormers, there is limited roof space suitable for photovoltaic panels.
Unfortunately, there is no underfloor heating, but radiators, some of which are quite old and probably should be replaced. There are a total of 12 radiators.
Our current annual oil consumption is about 1500-1600 liters (400-420 gallons).
I’m not sure what other information is needed to get a rough idea, so I’ll leave it at that and wait for any questions.
I hope you can give me a rough estimate so I can better evaluate offers.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
No, but the heating engineer shouldn’t rip me off with completely exaggerated hardware prices.
If he offers me a specific Vaillant package for 12,500 euros (about $13,500) on the quote, and I find the exact same package (same EAN number!) online with reputable dealers for 6,500–7,000 euros (about $7,000–7,600) who even refer to a recommended retail price of 11,500 euros (about $12,400), I feel a bit cheated.
He can certainly buy the parts himself and add a margin for the extra effort of a few clicks (which he would have just the same at the often praised "local wholesalers"), but not double the price!
The warranty is usually only given on their own workmanship anyway; material defects are covered by the manufacturer’s warranty.
You don’t really believe that a professional pays 12,500 euros (about $13,500) to a wholesaler while he can get the same parts elsewhere for half the price, do you? And if he is that crazy, I’d rather not have him work on my heating system...
About ordering online and having it installed:
This is known as an installation service and is now offered by some online retailers.
Hopefully, this will create quite a bit of market pressure in the medium term.
Best regards,
Andreas
Alessandro schrieb:
You order the parts online and the heating engineer is supposed to install them with a warranty?
No, but the heating engineer shouldn’t rip me off with completely exaggerated hardware prices.
If he offers me a specific Vaillant package for 12,500 euros (about $13,500) on the quote, and I find the exact same package (same EAN number!) online with reputable dealers for 6,500–7,000 euros (about $7,000–7,600) who even refer to a recommended retail price of 11,500 euros (about $12,400), I feel a bit cheated.
He can certainly buy the parts himself and add a margin for the extra effort of a few clicks (which he would have just the same at the often praised "local wholesalers"), but not double the price!
The warranty is usually only given on their own workmanship anyway; material defects are covered by the manufacturer’s warranty.
You don’t really believe that a professional pays 12,500 euros (about $13,500) to a wholesaler while he can get the same parts elsewhere for half the price, do you? And if he is that crazy, I’d rather not have him work on my heating system...
About ordering online and having it installed:
This is known as an installation service and is now offered by some online retailers.
Hopefully, this will create quite a bit of market pressure in the medium term.
Best regards,
Andreas
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nordanney20 Sep 2024 14:30Alessandro schrieb:
Sorry, you need to explain that to me.... No, you simply look for suitable offers on the relevant platforms.
For example, the following offer BEFORE subsidies
or from Daikin BEFORE subsidies
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alterego1345 Oct 2024 20:21These offers do sound very tempting. Do you know anyone who has used one of them?
Unfortunately, it seems there is no such offer available in southern Germany... Can someone help?
Unfortunately, it seems there is no such offer available in southern Germany... Can someone help?
nordanney schrieb:
No, you just look for suitable offers on the relevant platforms.
For example, the following offer BEFORE subsidies
or from Daikin BEFORE subsidies
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nordanney5 Oct 2024 21:49alterego134 schrieb:
These offers do sound quite tempting. Do you know anyone who has used one of them?No. I prefer to do the work myself rather than hiring contractors.The current prices quoted by installers for heat pumps, including installation, are quite outrageous. ... At this point, the draft contained a rant about installers, both local and the large nationwide sales teams. ...
Since I have to work (argue) with them every day, I’ll leave it at this: @andimann and @nordanney are right.
I doubt that the offers he mentioned will lead to a well-functioning and efficient heat pump – but that is not a question of price. You can still get poor quality installed for 50,000 euros (about $53,000) if you don’t know what you’re doing.
I can only advise everyone to inform themselves thoroughly before awarding contracts of this size, or to find a competent (!) and neutral (!) consultant in the field of heating technology and heat pumps.
Those who know what they’re doing can save themselves about half a year’s salary quickly here (well, about one month’s salary in this forum). Everyone else can at least avoid unnecessary expenses.
Since I have to work (argue) with them every day, I’ll leave it at this: @andimann and @nordanney are right.
I doubt that the offers he mentioned will lead to a well-functioning and efficient heat pump – but that is not a question of price. You can still get poor quality installed for 50,000 euros (about $53,000) if you don’t know what you’re doing.
I can only advise everyone to inform themselves thoroughly before awarding contracts of this size, or to find a competent (!) and neutral (!) consultant in the field of heating technology and heat pumps.
Those who know what they’re doing can save themselves about half a year’s salary quickly here (well, about one month’s salary in this forum). Everyone else can at least avoid unnecessary expenses.
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MachsSelbst6 Oct 2024 13:51It’s not that simple with the manufacturer’s warranty, and it’s definitely not the case that the contractor just passes everything along without effort.
Removing the defective unit, possibly providing a temporary solution, and installing the new unit are at least partly the responsibility of the installer, not the manufacturer. Additionally, there are usually more or less complicated clarifications involved, as well as the risk that a warranty claim might simply be denied for any number of reasons.
This clearly shows that private individuals can only be wished good luck in the event of a warranty claim. No one from Vaillant will just show up with a new heating system in hand.
Whether this justifies the prices… probably not. On the other hand, we have a market economy and too few skilled tradespeople. Supply and demand – no one is forced to buy.
Removing the defective unit, possibly providing a temporary solution, and installing the new unit are at least partly the responsibility of the installer, not the manufacturer. Additionally, there are usually more or less complicated clarifications involved, as well as the risk that a warranty claim might simply be denied for any number of reasons.
This clearly shows that private individuals can only be wished good luck in the event of a warranty claim. No one from Vaillant will just show up with a new heating system in hand.
Whether this justifies the prices… probably not. On the other hand, we have a market economy and too few skilled tradespeople. Supply and demand – no one is forced to buy.
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