ᐅ Current Installation Costs of a Heat Pump

There are credible reports stating that the grid expansion in Germany will cost over 700 billion euros within the next 10 years.

700 billion!!!

And this is supposed to happen without any impact on electricity prices.

Let's put it this way: it certainly wasn’t the Blue Party that has starved German infrastructure of funds for decades.
When it comes to the power grids, we are dealing with technology from the 1960s and 1970s.

Industrial developments have to be canceled due to excessive electricity consumption, large photovoltaic systems (over 30 kWp) can no longer be connected to the grid, or permit-required consumers are denied approval.

As of today, everything still works well. Let’s just wait and see how things develop and talk about it again in 3 to 4 years.
Of course, it fits well that Mr. Nordanney, with his infinite expertise, can refute every one of my points with solid arguments. Simply amazing!

Let's ignore the hollow laughter from one user, because the 700 billion by 2030 is a statement from bdew, the German Association of Energy and Water Industries... and therefore completely reliable.
However, it does not say anywhere that this 700 billion is supposed to come solely from the federal budget. Energy suppliers and grid operators are also investing, with Eon alone planning 42 billion by 2028.

But why do you keep discussing topics you have no professional knowledge of? Bank clerks and electricians are poor advisors on the energy transition. I also don’t ask a bricklayer to design my house.

And you can’t do the math either, otherwise it would be clear that photovoltaics and heat pumps are not magic solutions, as they are always promoted here...

I am hopeful that the expansion of the electricity grids will proceed as quickly and efficiently as the rollout of high-speed internet, fiber-optic networks, and mobile networks.

After all, we are among the global leaders in those areas, aren’t we?

And even though the federal auction of the 5G mobile networks was found to be unlawful by the courts this week, resulting in billions of dollars in costs, the same will happen with the electricity grids.

Not only do we have the most expensive mobile rates with the poorest networks, but we also already have the highest electricity prices with the worst network quality. Naturally, the expansion costs are passed on to the electricity price.

Historically, the electricity price has increased by 6 percent annually.

Furthermore, I expect there will still be a boom in electric vehicles. In China, 97 percent support electric cars and do not want to buy combustion engine vehicles anymore. Let’s just wait another five years, as I said earlier. Then we will see how good our energy supply really is here.

The grid operator denied approval for a 50 kWp photovoltaic system for me due to the absence of a suitable grid feed-in point and insufficient network capacity. Unfortunately, it is not possible for me to relocate my workshop to a place where it might be possible.

Buchsbaum066 schrieb:

Historically, electricity prices have increased by 6 percent annually.

Well, what else can one expect from you? Just because electricity prices rose by 61% from 2014 to 2023 doesn’t mean it was a steady increase. In fact, prices were relatively stable until 2021; it was only the war in Ukraine that caused a significant hike. I’m tired of your constant twisting of facts to support your doomsday fantasies.

Buchsbaum066 schrieb:

Historically, electricity prices have increased by 6 percent annually.

... and heating oil prices have risen by 105% over the past 8 years – compared to electricity by 36%. Wow, so it’s better to use oil?

MachsSelbst schrieb:

And you clearly can’t do the math, otherwise it would be obvious that photovoltaics and heat pumps are not a cure-all, as is always suggested here...

How exactly do you calculate this, so we can have a correct figure (for what, exactly)?

What I don’t understand is why you always jump on the topic of grid expansion, which you clearly don’t know much about. It’s often treated as if the entire country would collapse if everyone switched to an electric car and a heat pump.

Do you really think the grid operators and local utilities aren’t aware of this? Do you think they would approve all of this without considering how the energy supply will be managed? And even if things ever do get tight, there are so many adjustment options—many of which we probably don’t even know about—before any forced blackout occurs. And even if that happens, no one will die if we lose power for an hour at night.

And the best argument I recently heard is: “How is this going to work with such weak, flimsy green energy? We need strong electricity.” I see so much lack of technical understanding in statements like that and in yours, too, that debating it hardly makes sense. But I also don’t want to leave you alone in your worldview, as we’re all somehow in the same boat.

But the fact is—and the entire scientific community agrees on this, and decisions should be guided by it, both by us and the government—that fossil fuels are, first of all, finite and, second, release massive amounts of CO2. Since some from that side obviously don’t believe in climate change, at least we can agree that more CO2 in the atmosphere is worse than less.

Basically, I believe this is always about fear and distrust of the system. The big tabloid newspapers don’t promote scary, sensational headlines without reason. One could almost think you were influenced by them and didn’t form your own opinion. Independent research includes all sources and evaluates them.