ᐅ House and Floor Plan Design – Initial Architect’s Draft Available
Created on: 14 Oct 2020 18:29
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Pinkiponk
As previously announced, our old house in Baden-Württemberg has now been sold, we have moved to the Leipzig district, and we can now focus on our new house. Due to our age, we have deliberately downsized both the lot size and the living space. We have a first architect’s draft. I have already noted a few change requests and am now looking forward to your additions, criticism, and suggestions. If further plans or similar are needed, I will gladly provide them as long as I have them available.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Lot size: 567sqm (6,105 sqft)
Slope: visually not noticeable; if this is important information, I will look for where to find it
Site occupancy index: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: see attached drawing
Edge development: not allowed/desired on our part
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: classic, conservative
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to ridge height of main roof max. 11.5 meters (38 feet)”; “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to eave height of main roof max. 7.0 meters (23 feet)”
Further requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: we are trying to approximate the house shown in the photo below; however, without the gable projection; classic/conservative, hipped roof, town house
Basement, floors: no basement, 2 floors
Number of occupants, age: 1 male, 64 years old – 1 female, 58 years old
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor → kitchen, shower bathroom, living/lounge room, utility room with kitchenette and floor drain, hallway;
Upper floor → bathroom with tub, bedroom, 2 “wardrobe and storage rooms”
Office: family use or home office? Couple without children, no home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open on the outside, closed on the inside
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, cooking island: no, classical L-shaped kitchen or similar (the plan includes a cooking island that will not be built)
Number of dining seats: 2 in the kitchen, up to 6–8 in the living/lounge room
Fireplace: gas stove chimney
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: both no
Garage, carport: 2 arched carports
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: both no
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why some things should or should not be
House Design
Who created the plan:
– Planner from a construction company: yes, in cooperation with the clients
– Architect: unclear
– Do-it-yourself: yes, in cooperation with the prefabricated house manufacturer’s planner
What do you especially like? Why? Many windows and patio doors, lots of natural light and fresh air
What do you not like? Why? The windows on the upper floor are too low in the plan, but this will be changed
Price estimate according to architect/planner: already commissioned offer/order €312,780.00 (without carport, outdoor facilities, additional construction costs, land, ...)
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: €400,000.00
Preferred heating system: gas condensing boiler plus solar thermal (according to legal requirements)
If you have to forgo something, which details/upgrades
– What you can give up: we are already giving up shutters, whirlpool
– What you cannot give up: many windows and patio doors, muntins in the windows and doors
Why is the design as it is? For example:
A mixture of many examples from various magazines…
What do you think makes it good or bad? It generally meets our wishes. On the ground floor, we want access to the garden from every room. We find symmetry more pleasing than asymmetry. Few different window and door formats. No horizontal (“lying”) windows. Each of us has a separate room for clothing and such, so that no wardrobes have to be placed in the bedroom. We do not want a separate dressing room.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The roof seems somewhat steep to me. Is a 30-degree roof pitch for a house with a base of 9.40m x 9.40m (31 feet x 31 feet) too steep? The standard according to the provider is 22 degrees. That seemed too flat, or you can hardly see the roof.
The development plan was too large to upload; I will try again in a separate post in this thread.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Lot size: 567sqm (6,105 sqft)
Slope: visually not noticeable; if this is important information, I will look for where to find it
Site occupancy index: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: see attached drawing
Edge development: not allowed/desired on our part
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: classic, conservative
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to ridge height of main roof max. 11.5 meters (38 feet)”; “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to eave height of main roof max. 7.0 meters (23 feet)”
Further requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: we are trying to approximate the house shown in the photo below; however, without the gable projection; classic/conservative, hipped roof, town house
Basement, floors: no basement, 2 floors
Number of occupants, age: 1 male, 64 years old – 1 female, 58 years old
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor → kitchen, shower bathroom, living/lounge room, utility room with kitchenette and floor drain, hallway;
Upper floor → bathroom with tub, bedroom, 2 “wardrobe and storage rooms”
Office: family use or home office? Couple without children, no home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open on the outside, closed on the inside
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, cooking island: no, classical L-shaped kitchen or similar (the plan includes a cooking island that will not be built)
Number of dining seats: 2 in the kitchen, up to 6–8 in the living/lounge room
Fireplace: gas stove chimney
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: both no
Garage, carport: 2 arched carports
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: both no
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why some things should or should not be
House Design
Who created the plan:
– Planner from a construction company: yes, in cooperation with the clients
– Architect: unclear
– Do-it-yourself: yes, in cooperation with the prefabricated house manufacturer’s planner
What do you especially like? Why? Many windows and patio doors, lots of natural light and fresh air
What do you not like? Why? The windows on the upper floor are too low in the plan, but this will be changed
Price estimate according to architect/planner: already commissioned offer/order €312,780.00 (without carport, outdoor facilities, additional construction costs, land, ...)
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: €400,000.00
Preferred heating system: gas condensing boiler plus solar thermal (according to legal requirements)
If you have to forgo something, which details/upgrades
– What you can give up: we are already giving up shutters, whirlpool
– What you cannot give up: many windows and patio doors, muntins in the windows and doors
Why is the design as it is? For example:
A mixture of many examples from various magazines…
What do you think makes it good or bad? It generally meets our wishes. On the ground floor, we want access to the garden from every room. We find symmetry more pleasing than asymmetry. Few different window and door formats. No horizontal (“lying”) windows. Each of us has a separate room for clothing and such, so that no wardrobes have to be placed in the bedroom. We do not want a separate dressing room.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The roof seems somewhat steep to me. Is a 30-degree roof pitch for a house with a base of 9.40m x 9.40m (31 feet x 31 feet) too steep? The standard according to the provider is 22 degrees. That seemed too flat, or you can hardly see the roof.
The development plan was too large to upload; I will try again in a separate post in this thread.
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Pinkiponk14 Oct 2020 21:21icandoit schrieb:
Why actually two expensive carports? Wouldn’t it be worth considering at least a prefabricated garage? Where will you park the e-bikes? The two carports are cheaper than a garage. Besides, I don’t find garages very attractive. (I know how that sounds, but that’s just how I am.) My idea was that the house would sit like a blossom in the middle of the two carports, which would open like petals on the left and right. Considering the dimensions, I probably had the wrong expectations. It looked different in my mind.O
Osnabruecker14 Oct 2020 21:39If mobility limitations are planned, it seems that using a walking aid to enter the ground floor shower might be difficult because of the toilet.
The kitchen is too far from the dining table.
Television?
Limited space for furniture in the living room, maybe one less double door.
Where will the wardrobe go? How much length do you currently have, and how much will you need in the new house?
The kitchen is too far from the dining table.
Television?
Limited space for furniture in the living room, maybe one less double door.
Where will the wardrobe go? How much length do you currently have, and how much will you need in the new house?
Pinkiponk schrieb:
The two carports are cheaper than a garage. And besides that, I don’t find garages very attractive. (I know how that sounds, but that’s just how I feel.) My idea was that the house would sit like a flower in the middle between the two carports, which would open like petals on the left and right. Given the dimensions, I probably had the wrong idea. In my mind, it looked different. Well, that’s just how it is. Each of the two carports costs 2,825 euros without foundation or delivery at Obi. The foundation for the specific single-sided cantilevered carport shouldn’t be underestimated either. A double carport is structurally easier to assess and more stable.
Osnabruecker schrieb:
If mobility impairment is planned, it seems that with a walking aid you cannot access the shower on the ground floor because of the toilet.
Kitchen is too far from the table.
In this house, you are not supposed to have any mobility restrictions anyway.I don't like the interior layout of the house. But I guess it doesn't have to be that way.
Everything feels so cramped. The shower bathroom is tight, the living room at 3.55 meters (11 ft 8 in) is a struggle, and the bedroom with a clear room width of 3.23 meters (10 ft 7 in) is really narrow beside the bed.
The wardrobe is also needed for two people, and the kitchen-dining area is blocked off by the staircase. Even the fairly spacious bathroom could be better utilized (the bathtub is drawn as a small tub without shelving, although it's supposed to represent a whirlpool bath).
Do you have to build a two-story house, or is that just your preference?
Respecting your age: we are also over 50/60, but if we had been allowed, at our age under 50/60 we definitely would have built a bungalow.
Everything feels so cramped. The shower bathroom is tight, the living room at 3.55 meters (11 ft 8 in) is a struggle, and the bedroom with a clear room width of 3.23 meters (10 ft 7 in) is really narrow beside the bed.
The wardrobe is also needed for two people, and the kitchen-dining area is blocked off by the staircase. Even the fairly spacious bathroom could be better utilized (the bathtub is drawn as a small tub without shelving, although it's supposed to represent a whirlpool bath).
Do you have to build a two-story house, or is that just your preference?
Respecting your age: we are also over 50/60, but if we had been allowed, at our age under 50/60 we definitely would have built a bungalow.
I have never seen timidity rewarded with asymmetry, and after our discussions about wall reveals and similar details, I was actually hoping you would want to build a beautiful house :-(
Topping a KfW cube with a pointed roof and flanking it with boldly offset carports in a solarium style now hits the pit of my stomach. That you can almost still avoid McMansion Hell with so few different basic shapes: *Irony_on* Hats off! *Irony_off*
What is even still salvageable at this point?
That is clearly too steep, unnecessary, and needless. In the following example, you can see my explanation https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/walmdach-ideale-neigung.25192/page-2#post-217738 referring to the image in the opening post of the same thread; I would go with the proven 22° (which is still very clearly visible).
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Topping a KfW cube with a pointed roof and flanking it with boldly offset carports in a solarium style now hits the pit of my stomach. That you can almost still avoid McMansion Hell with so few different basic shapes: *Irony_on* Hats off! *Irony_off*
Pinkiponk schrieb:
already commissioned offer/order 312,780.00 Euro (without carport,
What is even still salvageable at this point?
Pinkiponk schrieb:
The roof seems a bit steep to me. Is a 30-degree roof pitch too steep for a house with a floor area of 9.40m x 9.40m (31ft x 31ft)? The standard according to the builder is 22 degrees. That seemed too shallow to me or you hardly see the roof at all.
That is clearly too steep, unnecessary, and needless. In the following example, you can see my explanation https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/walmdach-ideale-neigung.25192/page-2#post-217738 referring to the image in the opening post of the same thread; I would go with the proven 22° (which is still very clearly visible).
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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