ᐅ We are planning to build in 2022; the planning phase is beginning.
Created on: 6 Jun 2020 09:33
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Ybias78
Before I share the completed data, here are some details about our building project. We are still quite early in the process. About 2.5 years ago, we purchased a plot of land that we are currently paying off. The plot is located within the developed area of Fichtenwalde (about 50km (31 miles) south of Berlin) and is currently classified as forest. There are about 80 trees on the land. Converting it into a building plot is not a problem. However, there is a tree protection regulation, which means all trees must be replaced. The cost of felling the trees, including replanting and a financial deposit (in case the replacement trees do not survive), is around €20,000 (based on feedback from our neighbors who built last year).
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
Here is the plot:

Information about us:
General information about you:
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
Other expenses:
General information about the property:
We plan to start building the house at the beginning of 2022 and want to consult an architect by August 2020 to design the house and submit the building permit / planning permission application. While the building application is being processed, the land can then be converted, including tree removal. This will be paid for with the money we save from now until the new build. We don’t have any other equity. We moved in together around 10 years ago, during which time we had to pay off my student loans, buy two cars, etc. Our income has also increased over time.
We now need some help with the overall planning. As mentioned, our current plan is:
- Consult an architect and plan the house by August.
- Submit the building permit / planning permission application in October.
- Tree felling can take place by the end of February.
- In 2021, we will look for a (most likely) regional company to build the house (recommendations welcome).
- From June 2020 to December 2021, the saved money will be spent on:
- Architect fees, tree removal, paying off the land including a €2,750 special repayment. A new car for my wife (approx. €10,000) will also be purchased.
- Cheaper items should also be covered, such as surveying, soil report, etc.
Here is the plot:
Information about us:
General information about you:
- Who are you?
- A family of three.
- How old are you?
- She is 38, he is 41, daughter: 8.
- Do you have children?
- Yes, a girl.
- Are more children planned?
- No others planned.
- What do you do professionally?
- She is a full-time teacher. He is a controlling manager for several hospitals (full-time).
- Are you employed, self-employed, retired, homemaker, etc.?
- Both employed.
- How many hours do you work?
- She works full-time with 27 teaching hours plus preparation and follow-up time. He works 40 hours.
- What are your gross/net incomes?
- She: €2,820. He: €3,000 (tax class IV/IV). This includes about €400 in company pension contributions. Additionally, there are annual bonuses of about €3,000 (not included in net income).
- How much child benefit do you receive?
- €204.
- Other transfer payments like parental allowance, sick pay, etc.?
- None.
- How much equity do you have?
- Currently negligible (under €10,000).
- How much of that equity do you want to invest in the house project?
- All of it.
Expenses already included elsewhere can be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be extended or summarized. Please specify all costs monthly, even if they only occur annually!
Housing costs:
- Current basic rent (cold rent)
- €390
- Current total rent (warm rent)
- €567
- Electricity
- €72
- Gas
- None.
- Water, sewage, waste disposal, street cleaning
- Included in additional costs.
- Telephone, internet, mobile phone
- €85 (including Amazon Prime and Netflix)
- Public transport monthly pass (also for children)
- None.
- Car loan (or savings rate for a new car)
- Currently none.
- Insurance
- €100 per month (one fully comprehensive, one partially comprehensive).
- Taxes
- €34
- Fuel
- €200
- Repairs
- €140
- Other
- Is there a second car, motorcycle, scooter? Please specify all costs again!
- Private health insurance (also supplementary health insurance, daily sickness allowance, etc.)
- Dental supplementary insurance: €37
- Liability insurance (including pets)
- €7
- Capital or term life insurance
- None
- Pension insurance (including company pension plans)
- Company pension contributions (already included in net income).
- Disability insurance
- None
- Accident insurance
- None
- Household contents insurance
- €7
- Legal expenses insurance
- €20
- Other insurance (e.g., travel insurance, funeral insurance)
- Groceries
- Difficult to plan.
- Dining out
- Personal care/drugstore
- Pets (food, vet, medication, housing)
- Medication
- Clothing
- Furniture
- Childcare/school fees (including meals)
- After-school care €190 including meals
- Tutoring
- School supplies and books
- Club fees/gym
- Student association: €20
- Gym: €25
- Daughter’s music school: €66
- Babysitter
- Toys
- Cleaning
- TV/video/audio/CDs/DVDs
- Tickets (sports, cinema, concerts, etc.)
- Donations
- Student association: €15
- Other
- Vacation
- House
- Retirement
- Hobbies/gifts
- Other
- Total: €2,250
Other expenses:
- Alimony?
- Loans?
- €250 for the land.
- Other?
- Anything forgotten? Please add here!
- Total income: €6,024
- Total expenses: €3,769
- Balance: €2,255 (saved).
- Including cold rent and optional savings (e.g., savings rate for the house).
General information about the property:
- How large is the plot?
- 1,447 sqm (15,575 sq ft)
- What are its dimensions?
- 20 m (66 ft) road frontage x 72 m (236 ft)
- What is the land value?
- €120 per sqm
- New build, renovation / year built, house type?
- New build – L-shaped bungalow (we are still very early in planning)
- Garages?
- Depends on the budget.
- How big should the house be? (living area / usable area)
- About 140 sqm (1,507 sq ft)
- What is the market value of the land and house after completion?
- Land approx. €200,000 + house €350,000 = €550,000
- Land cost:
- Current outstanding debt €42,000
- Development costs
- Plot is fully developed.
- Acquisition incidental costs (notary, court, property transfer tax, realtor)
- Building or purchase costs (including architect, structural engineer):
- €300,000 budgeted.
- Renovation or restoration costs
- Additional building costs (e.g., utility connections, soil expert, construction electricity, etc.)
- Planned: €50,000
- Outdoor facilities/terrace, paths, landscaping, fences, etc.
- Depends on the total costs.
- Financing costs (fees or commitment interest)
- Total costs
- Remaining debt on the land + new build: Planned financing amount: €400,000
- Kitchen costs
- €10,000
- Furniture, lamps, decoration
- Mostly furniture will be kept and replaced gradually.
- Other "non-acquisition, incidental acquisition, construction, or additional building costs"
- Total costs:
- €400,000
- Deductible equity
- €0 (will be used for clearing the plot; €25,000).
- Financing amount
- €400,000
BackSteinGotik schrieb:
Why such a long term? 25 years and paid off before retirement could also be an option. Or do you get such a long fixed interest period?
For the KfW loan, you are ultimately paying nearly €1000 (about $1100) per month? How does your annuity change after 10 years? The €1600 (about $1750) already included a KfW repayment component, right? I wanted an amount where we can still save at least €1500 (about $1650) per month. Then I can work with special repayments. This is also the first offer from a general contractor. I actually want to get down to €2500 (about $2750) per square meter. Whether that will work, I will only know after comparing. The Kampa representative is coming to see us on Monday, and we will discuss the details. After that, it will probably be compared with others. The next places to approach will be:
- Richter Haus (solid construction)
- Danhaus (solid exterior walls, interior walls not)
- a regional small construction company.
Best regards
Ybias78 schrieb:
- Danhaus (solid exterior walls, not solid interior walls)The term "solid" there only refers to the brick cladding.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
11ant schrieb:
"Solid" only refers to the brick cladding. Yes, you're right. We are still a bit skeptical about prefabricated construction. Let’s see what further inquiries with general contractors will reveal.
Brief update on the current situation.
Yesterday, we had a visit from an independent representative of Kampa. A very nice and helpful man. We looked at the plot and discussed our ideas. He even suggested that I use his offer to compare with other builders. That was my plan anyway.
Among others, I contacted a local construction company as well as several builders in Poland. Of course, I’m a bit cautious regarding Polish companies (I am originally from Poland myself). However, I will definitely review their offers and compare. There is no pressure, and after our daughter, this is the second largest investment of our lives.
Yesterday, we had a visit from an independent representative of Kampa. A very nice and helpful man. We looked at the plot and discussed our ideas. He even suggested that I use his offer to compare with other builders. That was my plan anyway.
Among others, I contacted a local construction company as well as several builders in Poland. Of course, I’m a bit cautious regarding Polish companies (I am originally from Poland myself). However, I will definitely review their offers and compare. There is no pressure, and after our daughter, this is the second largest investment of our lives.
The following appointments are scheduled for next week:
Tuesday – Meeting with a local construction company (small but excellent)
Wednesday – The managing director of a Polish company will visit us, and we will request a quote
Thursday – Meeting with the company from the town.
Looking forward to it.
Tuesday – Meeting with a local construction company (small but excellent)
Wednesday – The managing director of a Polish company will visit us, and we will request a quote
Thursday – Meeting with the company from the town.
Looking forward to it.
The headline can now be changed. We will be building in 2021.
Even if it turns into a monologue, it doesn’t matter.
We have now had the three appointments. Number one on Tuesday and three on Thursday went well – very well. The managing director of the Polish company was more of a craftsman than a consultant. He simply said, “We will build whatever you want.” But he didn’t offer any suggestions, etc. I’m still curious about the costs, so I am letting him submit an offer.
Appointment one on Tuesday was good. An external architect and the managing director were present. They recommended a gas boiler plus a photovoltaic system. The architect needs to be paid upfront and is not included in the overall offer from the construction company.
The Thursday appointment was, from our perspective, the best. The company builds a lot in the area and also takes on “prestige projects” such as the renovation of an old train station or a listed building on the main street. But they also do many single-family houses. They have a good reputation and we had a very good rapport with the managing director. The architect will be included in the total price, and everything else will be delivered as a turnkey project. Their prices so far were about €1,800 gross per sqm (approximately $1,950 per sqft). They most frequently build with air-to-water heat pumps and photovoltaic systems. We are estimating around €2,200 to €2,300 per sqm (approximately $2,400 to $2,530 per sqft) because we have some special requests.
Even if it turns into a monologue, it doesn’t matter.
We have now had the three appointments. Number one on Tuesday and three on Thursday went well – very well. The managing director of the Polish company was more of a craftsman than a consultant. He simply said, “We will build whatever you want.” But he didn’t offer any suggestions, etc. I’m still curious about the costs, so I am letting him submit an offer.
Appointment one on Tuesday was good. An external architect and the managing director were present. They recommended a gas boiler plus a photovoltaic system. The architect needs to be paid upfront and is not included in the overall offer from the construction company.
The Thursday appointment was, from our perspective, the best. The company builds a lot in the area and also takes on “prestige projects” such as the renovation of an old train station or a listed building on the main street. But they also do many single-family houses. They have a good reputation and we had a very good rapport with the managing director. The architect will be included in the total price, and everything else will be delivered as a turnkey project. Their prices so far were about €1,800 gross per sqm (approximately $1,950 per sqft). They most frequently build with air-to-water heat pumps and photovoltaic systems. We are estimating around €2,200 to €2,300 per sqm (approximately $2,400 to $2,530 per sqft) because we have some special requests.
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